NABBA Hawkes Bay Championships

[hawks]

If this is all about Stan betting Aaron perhaps you need to take a real good look at the judging criteria or even do a judging coarse to learn a little more.

PS the massive tear in Aarons left bicep costs him a lot of points and that's no disrespect to him it is just what it is

Jesus Christ , sorry jesus didnt mean to take you name in vain , let me spell it out for you , i know what the what the criteria is for judging , if you had read properly what i had written you would have relised that what i was trying to get at , it was not ment to be directed at specific athletes but more of an overall inadequacy by judges to get it right , yes aaron had a tear correct , but stan was soft , his legs had no seperation , other classes where won by guys that where leaner but lacked body parts , other classes where won by guys that where softer and harder competitors placed lower , really to me there is no consistancy in the judging and this leads to confusion for athletes , do you think that is fare . Case in point stan got beaten by a junior with a wicked build and he deserved to win , a week or so later stan beat him and there was no difference in condition , common bro i know ya dont want to upset anybody but ya got to agree there are some very dodgy decisions that happen in this sport , not just in one competition but in many.And it is bloody unfare . You will know to well the hardship it is to get ready for a show , so the decisions should be fare and un biased . Christ the nabba federation is run by people that i am unsure if they have ever been in a bodybuilding show and if they have it must have been before noa built the ark . It is a shame we dont have guys like Graham Lancefield running the show , he is the president of the the REAL NABBA in australia, he has competed against Arnold at an olympia and he is a real gentleman and i have had the pleasure of meeting the man . All i am trying to get at is that shows should be judged consistantly and i am certainly not trying to get at specific athletes as we all train hard , but my beef is with the way things are run . Hey and i agree that not all athletes are going to be happy with decisions and thats just tough , and if they have been judged fairly they have to get over it . But politics needs to be left out of the sport and left in the beehive .

[Grego]

If this is all about Stan betting Aaron perhaps you need to take a real good look at the judging criteria or even do a judging coarse to learn a little more.

PS the massive tear in Aarons left bicep costs him a lot of points and that's no disrespect to him it is just what it is

Jesus Christ , sorry jesus didnt mean to take you name in vain , let me spell it out for you , i know what the what the criteria is for judging , if you had read properly what i had written you would have relised that what i was trying to get at , it was not ment to be directed at specific athletes but more of an overall inadequacy by judges to get it right , yes aaron had a tear correct , but stan was soft , his legs had no seperation , other classes where won by guys that where leaner but lacked body parts , other classes where won by guys that where softer and harder competitors placed lower , really to me there is no consistancy in the judging and this leads to confusion for athletes , do you think that is fare . Case in point stan got beaten by a junior with a wicked build and he deserved to win , a week or so later stan beat him and there was no difference in condition , common bro i know ya dont want to upset anybody but ya got to agree there are some very dodgy decisions that happen in this sport , not just in one competition but in many.And it is bloody unfare . You will know to well the hardship it is to get ready for a show , so the decisions should be fare and un biased . Christ the nabba federation is run by people that i am unsure if they have ever been in a bodybuilding show and if they have it must have been before noa built the ark . It is a shame we dont have guys like Graham Lancefield running the show , he is the president of the the REAL NABBA in australia, he has competed against Arnold at an olympia and he is a real gentleman and i have had the pleasure of meeting the man . All i am trying to get at is that shows should be judged consistantly and i am certainly not trying to get at specific athletes as we all train hard , but my beef is with the way things are run . Hey and i agree that not all athletes are going to be happy with decisions and thats just tough , and if they have been judged fairly they have to get over it . But politics needs to be left out of the sport and left in the beehive .

You must be working off photo's to make the comments about Stan's legs. Photo's don't always do a person justice as you don't know at what point the photographer took the photo. Aaron may have been well into the pose before Stan completely struck. If you know Stan, he is an awesome poser and takes his time making the perfect strike. I had plenty of people who are into the sport and some newbies from the crowd mention Stan’s legs to me the next day and it was all positive. I say the DVD is where it's at.

Oh, and sure, I am new to the sport, and I have been naive to certain aspects of the politics as you would expect. I am not that naive to think politics don't exist. I didn't get to go to the Worlds remember. And that's not a reason for you to jump on that either; all that has been covered in another post.

[Ann]

I have been reading with interest.... good grief Grego are both you and Andrew still on low carbs or what? I believe what Hawks is trying to say is that there was huge inconsistency with the judging!!! Do you both get it now??? I don't think that Hawks cares about you going to the So Called Worlds - and I'll say it that way - because that is what it is.

Consistent judging here is what he is talking about ok! Right go and have a feed of carbs both you and Andrew! Then come back and string a decent sentence together which is relevant to the topic! Ai carrumba!

[Darwinstef]

I have been reading with interest.... good grief Grego are both you and Andrew still on low carbs or what? I believe what Hawks is trying to say is that there was huge inconsistency with the judging!!! Do you both get it now??? I don't think that Hawks cares about you going to the So Called Worlds - and I'll say it that way - because that is what it is.

Consistent judging here is what he is talking about ok! Right go and have a feed of carbs both you and Andrew! Then come back and string a decent sentence together which is relevant to the topic! Ai carrumba!

To be honest, at least Andrew and Greg have been polite in their responses and don't seem to be as easily wound up as some. Its seems clear to me they both understand the point Hawks is trying to make and are responding in a fair manner.

I think I would take you more seriously if you had added something useful to this topic.

Its all very simple in the long run, stick to NZFBB if NABBA upsets you so much .

[Ann]

I think I would take you more seriously if you had added something useful to this topic

And?

Its all very simple in the long run, stick to NZFBB if NABBA upsets you so much

They'll as bad as one another - hold on - the judging is fairer AND CONSISTENT WITH NZFBB! Which is what this topic was about - so stick to the point! But hey that's ok - next time I'll remember to try and be a bit more PC - just for you - ok! :wink:

I don't get wound up - sarcastic - most definitely! :grin:

PS. I don't compete for either federation - I'd rather play tiddly winks - at least you know whose going to win! :pfft:

[Darwinstef]

Which is what this topic was about - so stick to the point!

Umm, no, its actually a topic about the Hawks Bay comp which has drifted well off course .

Tiddly winks it is then.

[Ann]

Yip - tiddly winks and a first place trophy for me - YAY :grin:

[hawks]

If this is all about Stan betting Aaron perhaps you need to take a real good look at the judging criteria or even do a judging coarse to learn a little more.

PS the massive tear in Aarons left bicep costs him a lot of points and that's no disrespect to him it is just what it is

Jesus Christ , sorry jesus didnt mean to take you name in vain , let me spell it out for you , i know what the what the criteria is for judging , if you had read properly what i had written you would have relised that what i was trying to get at , it was not ment to be directed at specific athletes but more of an overall inadequacy by judges to get it right , yes aaron had a tear correct , but stan was soft , his legs had no seperation , other classes where won by guys that where leaner but lacked body parts , other classes where won by guys that where softer and harder competitors placed lower , really to me there is no consistancy in the judging and this leads to confusion for athletes , do you think that is fare . Case in point stan got beaten by a junior with a wicked build and he deserved to win , a week or so later stan beat him and there was no difference in condition , common bro i know ya dont want to upset anybody but ya got to agree there are some very dodgy decisions that happen in this sport , not just in one competition but in many.And it is bloody unfare . You will know to well the hardship it is to get ready for a show , so the decisions should be fare and un biased . Christ the nabba federation is run by people that i am unsure if they have ever been in a bodybuilding show and if they have it must have been before noa built the ark . It is a shame we dont have guys like Graham Lancefield running the show , he is the president of the the REAL NABBA in australia, he has competed against Arnold at an olympia and he is a real gentleman and i have had the pleasure of meeting the man . All i am trying to get at is that shows should be judged consistantly and i am certainly not trying to get at specific athletes as we all train hard , but my beef is with the way things are run . Hey and i agree that not all athletes are going to be happy with decisions and thats just tough , and if they have been judged fairly they have to get over it . But politics needs to be left out of the sport and left in the beehive .

You must be working off photo's to make the comments about Stan's legs. Photo's don't always do a person justice as you don't know at what point the photographer took the photo. Aaron may have been well into the pose before Stan completely struck. If you know Stan, he is an awesome poser and takes his time making the perfect strike. I had plenty of people who are into the sport and some newbies from the crowd mention Stan’s legs to me the next day and it was all positive. I say the DVD is where it's at.

Oh, and sure, I am new to the sport, and I have been naive to certain aspects of the politics as you would expect. I am not that naive to think politics don't exist. I didn't get to go to the Worlds remember. And that's not a reason for you to jump on that either; all that has been covered in another post.

christ i give up , my comments are a generalisation , and you keep bringing up stan and aaron , i was using it as an example , oh shat thats enough this topic has finished for me , but you keep going , you know best and my 20 plus years in the sport mean very little , everyone is a expert these day , more the power to ya brother , i think hulk hogan said that oh well as the say grego be good if ya cant be be carefull if ya cant be carefull buy a pram \:D/

[Grego]

christ i give up , my comments are a generalisation , and you keep bringing up stan and aaron , i was using it as an example , oh shat thats enough this topic has finished for me , but you keep going , you know best and my 20 plus years in the sport mean very little , everyone is a expert these day , more the power to ya brother , i think hulk hogan said that oh well as the say grego be good if ya cant be be carefull if ya cant be carefull buy a pram \:D/

Well, your comments may have been general initially, but perhaps they would have been best on their own post. This WAS the Hawke's Bay Champs post, so it is only fair that your comments posted about judging etc were immediately related to the Hawke's Bay Champs.

20 years in the sport? It hasn't done your grudges any favours. I take people on their face value, and I have mentioned time and time again that I am new to the sport, so throwing curve balls about it again would be suggesting I didn't know that already, which I do. So er.... might need to perhaps find a different tact. And, I was thinking of Ann when I put the other comment up earlier about the "worlds". She seems more hung up about it that I am and I was meant to go! Thought you would be over it by now Ann! Time to move your attitude on I think, to perhaps http://www.tiddlywinksfordummies.co.nz ....

Despite mentioning that I love the sport and have respect for the people in it (apart from the obvious, who even after conceding that I was wrong with some things is still out to cause a stir aka Ann), I still "upset" some. It is not my intention. I do understand now Hawk what you are saying, and seeing as I have only ever been on the crowd side of an NZFBB comp, I have not been subjected to their judging, I cannot comment. However I have competed in 14 NABBA competitions in the last three years and I have only found what I thought to be a bad judging twice. That is not is too bad from personal experience, but then I am not a judge.

There has been a huge influx of new blood into NABBA NZ, from new reps in the last few years and also new judges coming through. So, I think that your old hat 20 years of experience / hatred... you may need to perhaps move forward, instead of looking back over your shoulder. Keep an open mind perhaps? Mind you, you wouldn't want a young buck telling you that though would you?

What I think: on nzbodybuilding.co.nz it's a bit like a young fella of 18 years going to the RSA. The RSA need all the young blood coming through to keep things going with new memberships as it starts to die off, but aren't willing to get over their prejudices. "These young greenhorns have never been to war! What right do they have to be here?" So your typical "many years in the sport" type people like you and Ann are nothing but toxicity to the sport. Get over it and get over yourselves and perhaps it’s time to move on. I'm with Darwinstef - say something constructive instead of the same tripe. "FAKE NABBA this, FAKE NABBA that” Same old same old.

Geez Ann, is there is a bee in your bonnet or what? I mean this time I didn’t even press your button; but in you swoop!

I agree with you on one other point Hawk, yep give up (as I will now) :pray: . Ann won't though, from experience, she loves to have the last word.

Grego

[michaelk]

"many years in the sport" type people like you and Ann are nothing but toxicity to the sport. Get over it and get over yourselves and perhaps it’s time to move on.

We recently had a meeting at our gym with Peter Hardwick where he mentioned his 50 years in the sport...Is he toxic to the sport Grego? :clap:

[Grego]

"many years in the sport" type people like you and Ann are nothing but toxicity to the sport. Get over it and get over yourselves and perhaps it’s time to move on.

We recently had a meeting at our gym with Peter Hardwick where he mentioned his 50 years in the sport...Is he toxic to the sport Grego? :clap:

No, not at all. It was a generalization. Of course not everyone is toxic. I have met Mike Debenham at the NZFBB Wai Weight Champs in Masterton, who I know has been in the sport for a while and is obviously very passionate and constructive with criticism and feedback, which is welcome. Often I think people need to remember on here (including myself) that the history of a specific athlete is hidden behind a picture which is often not related to them with a "name" that means nothing. So it is only fair that a newcomer to the sport and this forum such as me doesn't know who's been here and done that, thus can only offer respect for what and how that person contributes to this forum. I notice you are happy to put your photo up Michael and with that physique, whether past, present or both, deserves respect.

Truth is, I was merely mentioning the few who offer nothing more than their own prejudices of things "the way they were". Sure, things aren't 100%

(and from what I hear, the disaster which was the NZFBB Auckland champs) in either federation, and apart from the last remark (it has been edged out of me through frustration) I have offered nothing but positive remarks for the sport on a whole either federation, just compete and support.

With Peter Hardwick, Hawk was actually criticizing Peter with the comments about him sponsoring Stan and with Stan winning all the time earlier in the post. Not that Hawk has done his research; Stan was beaten at Bay of Plenty by an up and coming Star Dan Amos who is still a junior. But also Peter Hardwick was head judge at HB. I think what Peter has done for the sport of Bodybuilding is awesome.

If you see me around Michael, I'd like to meet you. Chances are I'll look the same as my picture, with Tanner and all, but as we all want, hopefully leaner!

Cheers

Grego

[michaelk]

I think I understood most of that, it sounded in your previous post you were comparing all long termers to stagnant RSAers who won't let in the new blood and can't change, now I understand you were only categorizing some.

I agree with your comment about people who put their names and pics to their posts, there'd be a lot less shit posted here if everyone did it, so I do offer you respect for posting yours.

I can't comment about the results of the NABBA show in HB as I wasn't there and have not seen any pics, I am also well aware that pics 99.9% of the time are far from a fair reflection of a competitors condition.

As to Peter, just for background, I have known him for 21 years, and it was he who first got me into bodybuilding, and if you visit his Takapuna shop you can ask to see a pic of me posing aged 18 and VERY skinny at about 68kg.

Regarding the Auckland show, not sure if you were there, and whether your comments are valid or based on what you read on here, but besides starting a bit late (and many many shows -NABBA and NZFBB- I've been to over the years have done that) and the goings on with the prize money, it was a VERY VERY good show by the standards of first show of the year. I base that on competitor standards and participant numbers which is what we are ultimately there to see after all.

Could have benefited from a coffee guy being there, luckily the MC'ess was a knockout and I got to take her home

[Grego]

I think I understood most of that, it sounded in your previous post you were comparing all long termers to stagnant RSAers who won't let in the new blood and can't change, now I understand you were only categorizing some.

I agree with your comment about people who put their names and pics to their posts, there'd be a lot less shit posted here if everyone did it, so I do offer you respect for posting yours.

I can't comment about the results of the NABBA show in HB as I wasn't there and have not seen any pics, I am also well aware that pics 99.9% of the time are far from a fair reflection of a competitors condition.

As to Peter, just for background, I have known him for 21 years, and it was he who first got me into bodybuilding, and if you visit his Takapuna shop you can ask to see a pic of me posing aged 18 and VERY skinny at about 68kg.

Regarding the Auckland show, not sure if you were there, and whether your comments are valid or based on what you read on here, but besides starting a bit late (and many many shows -NABBA and NZFBB- I've been to over the years have done that) and the goings on with the prize money, it was a VERY VERY good show by the standards of first show of the year. I base that on competitor standards and participant numbers which is what we are ultimately there to see after all.

Could have benefited from a coffee guy being there, luckily the MC'ess was a knockout and I got to take her home

Hey thanks for that, and glad you took it the way it was intended and that was all cleared that up. No I wasn't at the Auckland NZFBB show, and I knew I would regret posting that comment about the show. Let's just put it down to a "tit for tat" moment of weakness (that busy body Ann does that too you!), and it wasn't directed at the Athletes. No way. I know even if a competitor isn't in the shape expected of a class, that they see the journey no one else has. I remember my first show. No legs at all. Flat as. But I had lost over 25kg's to get on stage. That's the journey. It's up to the competitior to either leave it at that "I've competed now" or get back into it and constantly improve. I prefer the latter for me....

I heard about the delay, the eftpos problems, and the competitiors having to wait for a photo that was taken and no one mentioned that it was acutally already taken.... I heard something about a coffee guy. I thought about that for our show but we just didn't have the room. We did however have taste testing of Chantel Organics range of nut butters which went down a treat.....

I know what it is now like to organise a show and I take my hat off to anyone who does. That's anyone, any fed. I know the teething problems that can arise and \:D/ Andrew and I both competed at our show too! Andrew made the comment of "Never again" but we'll see :pfft:

I have the upmost respect for Peter Hardwick, which is why I was quick to defend him earlier in the post. What I know if him and what he has done for the sport of bodybuilding in New Zealand..... I take my hat off to him. He can certainly spot talent. When I saw him at Manawatu Champs last weekend I offered to help out the back with the Taupo Naturals next weekend. So if you are going, might see you there?

Grego

[hawks]

christ i give up , my comments are a generalisation , and you keep bringing up stan and aaron , i was using it as an example , oh shat thats enough this topic has finished for me , but you keep going , you know best and my 20 plus years in the sport mean very little , everyone is a expert these day , more the power to ya brother , i think hulk hogan said that oh well as the say grego be good if ya cant be be carefull if ya cant be carefull buy a pram \:D/

Well, your comments may have been general initially, but perhaps they would have been best on their own post. This WAS the Hawke's Bay Champs post, so it is only fair that your comments posted about judging etc were immediately related to the Hawke's Bay Champs.

20 years in the sport? It hasn't done your grudges any favours. I take people on their face value, and I have mentioned time and time again that I am new to the sport, so throwing curve balls about it again would be suggesting I didn't know that already, which I do. So er.... might need to perhaps find a different tact. And, I was thinking of Ann when I put the other comment up earlier about the "worlds". She seems more hung up about it that I am and I was meant to go! Thought you would be over it by now Ann! Time to move your attitude on I think, to perhaps http://www.tiddlywinksfordummies.co.nz ....

Despite mentioning that I love the sport and have respect for the people in it (apart from the obvious, who even after conceding that I was wrong with some things is still out to cause a stir aka Ann), I still "upset" some. It is not my intention. I do understand now Hawk what you are saying, and seeing as I have only ever been on the crowd side of an NZFBB comp, I have not been subjected to their judging, I cannot comment. However I have competed in 14 NABBA competitions in the last three years and I have only found what I thought to be a bad judging twice. That is not is too bad from personal experience, but then I am not a judge.

There has been a huge influx of new blood into NABBA NZ, from new reps in the last few years and also new judges coming through. So, I think that your old hat 20 years of experience / hatred... you may need to perhaps move forward, instead of looking back over your shoulder. Keep an open mind perhaps? Mind you, you wouldn't want a young buck telling you that though would you?

What I think: on nzbodybuilding.co.nz it's a bit like a young fella of 18 years going to the RSA. The RSA need all the young blood coming through to keep things going with new memberships as it starts to die off, but aren't willing to get over their prejudices. "These young greenhorns have never been to war! What right do they have to be here?" So your typical "many years in the sport" type people like you and Ann are nothing but toxicity to the sport. Get over it and get over yourselves and perhaps it’s time to move on. I'm with Darwinstef - say something constructive instead of the same tripe. "FAKE NABBA this, FAKE NABBA that” Same old same old.

Geez Ann, is there is a bee in your bonnet or what? I mean this time I didn’t even press your button; but in you swoop!

I agree with you on one other point Hawk, yep give up (as I will now) :pray: . Ann won't though, from experience, she loves to have the last wo

Grego

Bro this dont make sense .Well, your comments may have been general initially, but perhaps they would have been best on their own post. This WAS the Hawke's Bay Champs post, so it is only fair that your comments posted about judging etc were immediately related to the Hawke's Bay Champs.. Dont you mean my comments should have been about the hawkes bay show not about judging. signed A.HAWKINS AKA HAWKS AND I AINT TOXIC I AM A REALIST . :shifty:

[Andrew]

Stuff the politics at the end of the day these guys got up on stage and did themselves & bodybuilding proud.

If you can’t handle not winning one might suggest you take up another sport… either that or next time come in so dam good that the judges would have to pick you.

[hawks]

Stuff the politics at the end of the day these guys got up on stage and did themselves & bodybuilding proud.

If you can’t handle not winning one might suggest you take up another sport… either that or next time come in so dam good that the judges would have to pick you.

christ mate not once have i said this is about myself , in actual fact i didnt really want to get into that and personally i couldnt give a shit where i place as it is irrevelant to me , i thought i was talking to some people with a smidgen of intellect , oh well more fool me . Ok i will spell it out you have forced my hand . On one hand i agree that all the guys did themselves proud and i take my hat off to them.I didnt want to make any one feel bad but oh well . As they say a picture is worth a thousand words and really the class i was talking about is athletic ,my question is how did Daniel Hislop not win the over all , hell he didnt even win his class , i believe he was quite upset about the whole thing , anyone that was there and i have talked to alot of people, could not believe how he did not win . Well Daniel if you read these post you shoulda won bro.My Nephew was beaten by a lesser competitor three times before he finally switched federations ,HE is now the nzfbb classic nz champion Just so happens that i saw the guy that beat him those times out for dinner with the president of nabba hmm very cosy. People need to pull there head out from there arse and realise there is alot of politcs involved , my hope is that Daniel doesnt get disouraged with the sport and give it away . The trouble is Andrew that more and more guys are switching to other federations , Nathen Ohearn , Alex and Leanne Simays ,Aron Noble ,Ra Paku Max Stott ,Salah to name a few and alot more talking of making the switch . To be honest this forum has gone way off track and possibly should have been adressed under another forum . To which i am mainly to blame and was no way ment to be a slight at the athletes that compete in shows merely to bring discussion about the judging but you and greggo have unfortunately taken it to heart and have read into it things that i never even mentioned . well all the best for the remainder of the year hope your comps go well .

[-tOOn-]

Hmmmm well done to the Hbay reps for doing a great job.

Twenty years in the sport and still knocking it well that isnt constructive at all Hawks.

Max was NZFBB and switched because he wanted to do NABBA

Ra was NZFBB and switched because she also wanted to NABBA

Arron well he actually is a nice little bodybuilder but he did get his butt kicked by better bodybuilders when doing NABBA.

Alex and Leanne well I have known Leanne since her Wellington days as a junior she got a lot out of the sport and now supports Australia go figure ??

Alex has done his hard yards and has made a name for himself but Leanne wears the pants lol

Seems a lot of peeps spend time in here including myself ranting about the negatives and each other, however all the above peeps mentioned above are great people to meet, hope you are HAWKS lol at the end of the day no matter what side you feel you are on we are all in the sport one way or another.Before you ask I am in training at present time to get up on stage and have another go at it maybe HAWKS would as well meet you in both organisations in the Masters class you ole fart

[Grego]

did this wrong...

[Grego]

Stuff the politics at the end of the day these guys got up on stage and did themselves & bodybuilding proud.

If you can’t handle not winning one might suggest you take up another sport… either that or next time come in so dam good that the judges would have to pick you.

christ mate not once have i said this is about myself , in actual fact i didnt really want to get into that and personally

i couldnt give a shit where i place as it is irrevelant to me , i thought i was talking to some people with a smidgen of intellect , oh well more fool me .

On one hand i agree that all the guys did themselves proud and i take my hat off to them.

As they say a picture is worth a thousand words and really the class i was talking about is athletic ,my question is how did Daniel Hislop not win the over all , hell he didnt even win his class , i believe he was quite upset about the whole thing , anyone that was there and i have talked to alot of people, could not believe how he did not win . Well Daniel if you read these post you shoulda won bro.

My Nephew was beaten by a lesser competitor three times before he finally switched federations Just so happens that i saw the guy that beat him those times out for dinner with the president of nabba hmm very cosy. People need to pull there head out from there arse and realise there is alot of politcs involved , my hope is that Daniel doesnt get disouraged with the sport and give it away .

merely to bring discussion about the judging but you and greggo have unfortunately taken it to heart and have read into it things that i never even mentioned . well all the best for the remainder of the year hope your comps go well .

Now that I know it's you Alan, I don't take it personally, and frankly throughout our exchange of words on here can say I haven't. However, had I known it was you; I wouldn't have challenged your experience. As I mentioned to MichaelK it is hard to distinguish on here (generalising) a person’s experience and manner from a name that isn't one and a picture that is either not present or is totally unrelated to that person. Now please don’t tell me that Missy is Ann on here?

But....

As for the Open Athletic Tall Class at HB, you automatically assume I won because of politics? Perhaps instead of making assumptions, you might have liked to perhaps talk to the judges and find out for yourself if it meant that much to you. Or, is it perhaps that over the years, you have actually isolated yourself to the point that you don't feel able to do so.

I had a chat with Daniel backstage both after judging and night show too. He was saying just as I that it would be a hard one to judge. He told me he looked at pictures his lady had taken and thought I had him in the legs and was leaner. I made similar comments to him about his plus points, size, symmetry and so on; as you do with a fellow competitior in my experience with NABBA. In my 15 shows for NABBA, it's always been that way. Great sportsmanship throughout. Daniel and I both agreed that we wouldn't want to be one of the judges. He mentioned that he didn't have the stage fitness and this was confirmed when he was puffing up there. We all know the judges see everything and if he was inhaling and wound up with flat ab’s at any point he would have been seen, but you would know this already.... All assumptions on my part about that, just an example.

I didn't ask the judges why I won (that would be suggesting perhaps a bit of doubt in myself) but did ask them why I placed second in overalls. I was provided with some good, valuable feedback and when I looked at the photo's and compared it to previous ones from earlier shows realised why I came second. That's what I do to try and imrove.

Bottom line, of course Daniel was pissed off, do we compete to come second?

Bodybuilding is always going to be a subjective sport and when it's you up there in your best condition, it's hard not to take it to heart. It would be suffice to say especially what the judges are looking for in a class. You would have experienced this with the International competitions you and Missy attend. They look for different things and their figure class is different from ours, so again, it's a judge’s perception of what is the shape they are afte for that class, and I don't need 20 years of experience to know this. As always, a judge’s decision is final whether we like it or not regardless of fed.

As for Gary Nairn being a lesser competitior..... Well, that again is subjective, and certainly on the higher level. I've seen the pictures, the DVD's and not to take anything away from Aaron (I mean I've always said both in the real world and on here that he is an awesome athlete) I wouldn't have called it that way. But then, I'm no judge, I'd rather leave it to them anyday! I can't believe you brought up him having dinner with Jim. Whether you like it or not, Gary has the respect of doing years of competing and being an approachable person first and formost. With Gary, you always know what you are going to get; he is always happy to talk to everyone and also still very passionate about the sport. To bring up that he was having dinner with Jim Pitt and already knowing yourself that he helped out the back is just plain petty, and although I can say I don't really know you that well, I would have expected more of you Alan.

I've competed in the last three HB shows and have seen many people Athletes and their trainers, who obviously know Gary from his experience, approach him and say hi and give repect knowing where he has been and done.

I won't dive into the reasons why the top atheltes have jumped ship as I haven't spoken to them, and we all know what assume spells.... ass (out of) u (and) me

On a final note to end things positively as you did Alan; thanks for your wishes for good competitions for the end of the year; only a couple to go for me. Also Alan, you looked awesome man if I can say so. I know you said to me "it's just another competition" but all the same. Obviously we all have a process of the way we hold ourselves and do things leading up to and during a comp and that is yours. Full credit to you.

Hope to see you and Missy at Nationals

Grego

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Stuff the politics at the end of the day these guys got up on stage and did themselves & bodybuilding proud.

If you can’t handle not winning one might suggest you take up another sport… either that or next time come in so dam good that the judges would have to pick you.

christ mate not once have i said this is about myself , in actual fact i didnt really want to get into that and personally

i couldnt give a shit where i place as it is irrevelant to me , i thought i was talking to some people with a smidgen of intellect , oh well more fool me .

On one hand i agree that all the guys did themselves proud and i take my hat off to them.

As they say a picture is worth a thousand words and really the class i was talking about is athletic ,my question is how did Daniel Hislop not win the over all , hell he didnt even win his class , i believe he was quite upset about the whole thing , anyone that was there and i have talked to alot of people, could not believe how he did not win . Well Daniel if you read these post you shoulda won bro.

My Nephew was beaten by a lesser competitor three times before he finally switched federations Just so happens that i saw the guy that beat him those times out for dinner with the president of nabba hmm very cosy. People need to pull there head out from there arse and realise there is alot of politcs involved , my hope is that Daniel doesnt get disouraged with the sport and give it away .

merely to bring discussion about the judging but you and greggo have unfortunately taken it to heart and have read into it things that i never even mentioned . well all the best for the remainder of the year hope your comps go well .

Now that I know it's you Alan, I don't take it personally, and frankly throughout our exchange of words on here can say I haven't. However, had I known it was you; I wouldn't have challenged your experience. As I mentioned to MichaelK it is hard to distinguish on here (generalising) a person’s experience and manner from a name that isn't one and a picture that is either not present or is totally unrelated to that person. Now please don’t tell me that Missy is Ann on here?

But....

As for the Open Athletic Tall Class at HB, you automatically assume I won because of politics? Perhaps instead of making assumptions, you might have liked to perhaps talk to the judges and find out for yourself if it meant that much to you. Or, is it perhaps that over the years, you have actually isolated yourself to the point that you don't feel able to do so.

I had a chat with Daniel backstage both after judging and night show too. He was saying just as I that it would be a hard one to judge. He told me he looked at pictures his lady had taken and thought I had him in the legs and was leaner. I made similar comments to him about his plus points, size, symmetry and so on; as you do with a fellow competitior in my experience with NABBA. In my 15 shows for NABBA, it's always been that way. Great sportsmanship throughout. Daniel and I both agreed that we wouldn't want to be one of the judges. He mentioned that he didn't have the stage fitness and this was confirmed when he was puffing up there. We all know the judges see everything and if he was inhaling and wound up with flat ab’s at any point he would have been seen, but you would know this already.... All assumptions on my part about that, just an example.

I didn't ask the judges why I won (that would be suggesting perhaps a bit of doubt in myself) but did ask them why I placed second in overalls. I was provided with some good, valuable feedback and when I looked at the photo's and compared it to previous ones from earlier shows realised why I came second. That's what I do to try and imrove.

Bottom line, of course Daniel was pissed off, do we compete to come second?

Bodybuilding is always going to be a subjective sport and when it's you up there in your best condition, it's hard not to take it to heart. It would be suffice to say especially what the judges are looking for in a class. You would have experienced this with the International competitions you and Missy attend. They look for different things and their figure class is different from ours, so again, it's a judge’s perception of what is the shape they are afte for that class, and I don't need 20 years of experience to know this. As always, a judge’s decision is final whether we like it or not regardless of fed.

As for Gary Nairn being a lesser competitior..... Well, that again is subjective, and certainly on the higher level. I've seen the pictures, the DVD's and not to take anything away from Aaron (I mean I've always said both in the real world and on here that he is an awesome athlete) I wouldn't have called it that way. But then, I'm no judge, I'd rather leave it to them anyday! I can't believe you brought up him having dinner with Jim. Whether you like it or not, Gary has the respect of doing years of competing and being an approachable person first and formost. With Gary, you always know what you are going to get; he is always happy to talk to everyone and also still very passionate about the sport. To bring up that he was having dinner with Jim Pitt and already knowing yourself that he helped out the back is just plain petty, and although I can say I don't really know you that well, I would have expected more of you Alan.

I've competed in the last three HB shows and have seen many people Athletes and their trainers, who obviously know Gary from his experience, approach him and say hi and give repect knowing where he has been and done.

I won't dive into the reasons why the top atheltes have jumped ship as I haven't spoken to them, and we all know what assume spells.... ass (out of) u (and) me

On a final note to end things positively as you did Alan; thanks for your wishes for good competitions for the end of the year; only a couple to go for me. Also Alan, you looked awesome man if I can say so. I know you said to me "it's just another competition" but all the same. Obviously we all have a process of the way we hold ourselves and do things leading up to and during a comp and that is yours. Full credit to you.

Hope to see you and Missy at Nationals

Grego

Actually mate i did not asume that you won because of politcs, u looked good as did andrew , it is my opinion however that Daniel looked better , I believe you spoke to missy at the show on how you were fustrated with what was happening with NABBA NZ in regards to the split with the federations nothing came from the AGM i believe. No i dont know who ANN is but she obviously feels the same way as i do. I could go on to mention things from the past but peoples names do not need be mentioned, thats why i didnt bring up Gaza name unfortunately you did , he competed for years and did very well and i respect him for that , but once again i do not oppoligise for calling things as i see them , I bought my concerns up years ago and i guess that one will never be forgotton. I think you guys did an awesome job of running a show as was last years and you and Andrew should be proud of the job you did . In fact if it was not for guys like yourself NABBA would not exsist.I think this needs to end here as i do not see any point in going on with it any further , I can always be approached if you have any questions in regards to my experiance with the federation , no problem . Missy can also be approached in regards to NABBA International if you are interested as we will both be competing over the ditch next year. No more shows for me here unfortunately. Cheers for the compliment much appreciated .

[Grego]

Actually mate i did not asume that you won because of politcs, u looked good as did andrew , it is my opinion however that Daniel looked better , I believe you spoke to missy at the show on how you were fustrated with what was happening with NABBA NZ in regards to the split with the federations nothing came from the AGM i believe. No i dont know who ANN is but she obviously feels the same way as i do. I could go on to mention things from the past but peoples names do not need be mentioned, thats why i didnt bring up Gaza name unfortunately you did , he competed for years and did very well and i respect him for that , but once again i do not oppoligise for calling things as i see them , I bought my concerns up years ago and i guess that one will never be forgotton. I think you guys did an awesome job of running a show as was last years and you and Andrew should be proud of the job you did . In fact if it was not for guys like yourself NABBA would not exsist.I think this needs to end here as i do not see any point in going on with it any further , I can always be approached if you have any questions in regards to my experiance with the federation , no problem . Missy can also be approached in regards to NABBA International if you are interested as we will both be competing over the ditch next year. No more shows for me here unfortunately. Cheers for the compliment much appreciated .

Sweet Alan, thanks for that.

All the best for over the ditch, show them Aussie and the rest of the world!

Cheers

Grego