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The only thing that has ever help me with the dreaded lower back pumps is getting massages and realined.

hmm ill have to try that out because its almost unbearable, read that potassium/taurine supplementing can help so think ill give that a shot too.

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Lower back "pump" is good...you have worked your lower back effectively. Lower back cramp on the other hand is very painful & is often associated with using beta 2 agonists like clenbuterol & albuterol. Clen restricts the conversion of T3 into T4 in the liver. It seems to show often in the lower back & chest, you need to greatly increase your protein intake & BCAA's especially Taurine. 3-5g ED. The other thing to watch in lower back pain, is kidney function. This can present on either side of the spine in the lower back & is often due to oral steriod use & dehydration.

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ok sorry should have provided more info,

not taking any orals, just 400mg test e a week

drink a heap of fluids. 6L plus a day easy

and getting lower back pump on squats, deadlifts and even just bending over at work.

Yeah sorry Bro was not implying that you were using orals. I have heard that some guys have had great results with reducing lower back pumps by taking ZMA. I'm not sure what the colleration is but zinc is often depleted in our bodies, magnesium may be effective at helping liver function & B6 is also part of the ZMA formula.

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ok sorry should have provided more info,

not taking any orals, just 400mg test e a week

drink a heap of fluids. 6L plus a day easy

and getting lower back pump on squats, deadlifts and even just bending over at work.

Yeah sorry Bro was not implying that you were using orals. I have heard that some guys have had great results with reducing lower back pumps by taking ZMA. I'm not sure what the colleration is but zinc is often depleted in our bodies, magnesium may be effective at helping liver function & B6 is also part of the ZMA formula.

thanks for the reply.

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Can understand completely, when I'm on cycle I find the only things that helps this when doing squats and deads is to drop my rep range to 6-8 and go heavier. Higher reps kills my back to the point I cant continue the session. A good deep tissue massage is good to.

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Clen restricts the conversion of T3 into T4 in the liver.

Conversion of T3 to T4? Are you sure? In my research I have only found that T4 converts to T3, not the other way around.

I was under the same impression as well. That T4 converts to T3 Or RT3...

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Taurine will help, 4gm before bed and 4gm pre training seems to be sufficient, be sure to give your body a break from in on non training days though as there has been little resarech into long term use at higher doses.

A lifting belt also helps, it is not ideal to rely on a belt all the time but I does help to keep excess blood out of the lower back area, yes there is a reason why alot of pro BodyBuilders seem to wear them constantly.

Stretching of the lower back and especially Glute/piriformis region will go along way to alleviate the pain also.

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I never have much of a problem with it, maybe im not squating enough lol. Seriously though, try keeping your back more netural throughout your squats and deadlifts ect... the lower back is simply getting worked like any other muscle group under load and experiencing pump, combine that with increased blood flow due to roids and you have your recipe for mean back pumps.One thing you can do to decrease it is do more isolated work and take out the lower back more from the equation,i'm not saying stop squats and deads all together but add in more leg press or hack squats for example. The other thing is to do more ab and core work to balance out the tension from the front to the back of your spine, at the moment your lower backs to strong for your abs and you will be steadily making it worse on the course your on at the moment.

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Guys,

Is it really a back pump? Or is it really excess fluid (through electrolyte changes from gear) pushing on the kidneys?

If it's the latter I'm guessing a mild (possibly) herbal direutic, or maybe an estrogen inhibitor may be a better fix?

MuscleNZ or someone in the know want to comment on this, as my 10 cents is just a theory based on reading forums over the last week, and a conversation with a guy who claimed dianabol gave him back pumps!!

As much fun as it sounds Luigi I prefer to get a pump in my legs when I squat!! :P

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Guys,

Is it really a back pump? Or is it really excess fluid (through electrolyte changes from gear) pushing on the kidneys?

If it's the latter I'm guessing a mild (possibly) herbal direutic, or maybe an estrogen inhibitor may be a better fix?

MuscleNZ or someone in the know want to comment on this, as my 10 cents is just a theory based on reading forums over the last week, and a conversation with a guy who claimed dianabol gave him back pumps!!

As much fun as it sounds Luigi I prefer to get a pump in my legs when I squat!! :P

With low/moderate dose test only and no orals it is less likely to be fluid retention or as a direct result of kidney trauma, possible but unlikely. An AI may help, but in my experience probably not.

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Clen restricts the conversion of T3 into T4 in the liver.

Conversion of T3 to T4? Are you sure? In my research I have only found that T4 converts to T3, not the other way around.

My bad good pickup SM you know your stuff. I got my numbers back to front LOL I'm slipping up. Yes the liver converts thyroxine (T4) to triiodothyronine (T3).

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Guys,

Is it really a back pump? Or is it really excess fluid (through electrolyte changes from gear) pushing on the kidneys?

If it's the latter I'm guessing a mild (possibly) herbal direutic, or maybe an estrogen inhibitor may be a better fix?

MuscleNZ or someone in the know want to comment on this, as my 10 cents is just a theory based on reading forums over the last week, and a conversation with a guy who claimed dianabol gave him back pumps!!

As much fun as it sounds Luigi I prefer to get a pump in my legs when I squat!! :P

Nate225, I'm not so sure about your theory. It may have some merit but many people have muscle pumps & cramps in other parts of their body, arms, legs, chest, calf etc where you would not expect water retention to be an issue. However, some guys do prefer to take say Dbol in one dose prior to workout so they can have the experience of the back pump as part of their training. Certainly there appears to be some correlation between electrolyte deficiency & often calcium & magnesium has been shown to be deficiant. Alcohol is a cramping agent as is excessive amounts of caffiene & sugar. So power drinks before a workout could be the cause of cramping. The trouble is there are so many theories on this matter. My experience is that orals do effect the kidneys as much as the liver & results in back pain unless proper hydration is maintained. The pumps/cramps associated with beta agonists are very real as anyone thats used 100mcg or more of clen can tell you.

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