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MuscleTech naNO Vapor & BSN CellMass

Gonez

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hi there people i am a new member to this site as you can probably see but have been reading forums for a while and decided to join.

i have just bought these two supplements (MuscleTech naNO Vapor & BSN CellMass). i have been looking at all sorts of pre and post workout supplements and decided these two were the best out there at their respective prices as they were on special. neway....

before i begin taking these i am curious to know if it is actually a good idea to be taking these at the same time pre and post workout? or if i really need to be taking both? or if i only need one or the other? i am hoping someone out there with more knowledge than me can give me the heads up before i go destroying my insides..???

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It's pretty hard find a creatine that stacks up against cellmass. You can also drink it during workouts.

I'd really be interested to know how much creatine is in CellMass. I'm starting to think it's not as much as people think. Of the 4.25g AVPT in each serve of Cellmass it contains Sodium Creatine Phosphate which is the sodium salt of creatine phosphate, then you've got creatine ethyl ester combined with Carnosyn which is essentially creatine and ethyl alcohol, along with beta alanine, of which you'd hope for at least 1.6g of carnosyn/beta alanine for the beta alanine to be much use, (which only leaves 2.65g for everything else). You've then got Creatinol-O-Phosphate-Malic Acid which isn't actually creatine it just has a similar looking name, and then Creatine Alpha Amino N Butyrate which is Creatine and the amino acid Leucine.

In my mind cellmass is more of a electrolyte/glutamine/beta-alanine formula (ie recovery, carnosine boosting/hydrogen buffering, muscle endurance) with a little bit of creatine combined with a few other ingredients to help in ATP production and replenishment, and nutrient absorption.

It looks like BSN know this too as the label doesn't really claim anything about it containing creatine other than saying it's designed to support and enhance "correction of creatine non responsiveness", and "replenishment of muscle creatine and phosphocreatine and glutamine stores" as two of its features.

I'm not saying it's a bad product, more just that there are better proper creatine products available. Now if they went and added 5g of creatine monohydrate to each serve then I think it would be an excellent creatine product and I'd change my mind entirely.

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Wouldn't bsn no xplode be considered their creatine specific product?

No I don't think so. They don't really make any major claims about No-Xplode being a creatine product, in fact none of their products seem to be made out to be creatine products. They used to when they used the old CEM3 which I think was creatine eythl-ester and citrulline malate, but now that they've switched to AVPT it doesn't seem to be the case.

I thought maybe the new Volumaize would have a big whack of creatine in it but they've just put in ingredients that improve the uptake of creatine which, unless I'm missing something, without it actually having creatine in it seems a bit strange to me.

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well im looking at using both volumaize and cellmass. but couldnt help noticing a gaspari product called size on. how come this product never seems to get any mention?

im on sizeon now, and its the 3rd creatine ive tried, and the only one that has made a difference for me. i stack it with superpump, its great. horses for courses, would like to know your dissection on sizeon flex??

i intend to write a product review on sizeon after finishing the tub..

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sizeon.... i like the taste of it, but i like cellmass too. sizeons the one you drink during your workout right ?

yea man, though to be honest i usually have finished it before ive finished my working compounds! lol but it has definitely made a diff, i tried balance effervescent, and then crea mono, neither did anything for me, and whether coincidence of not, i felt like crap in the loading phase with the mono..

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San fierce, most underrated. king of pre workout. :grin:

Its pritty good. Mean whack of energy felt like i had guzzled 20 short blacks, but it can be pretty rough on the stomach ( and training partners nose) And the taste wasnt for me.

Im taking applied nutricuticals RPM at the moment... this stuff is the shiz

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San fierce, most underrated. king of pre workout. :grin:

just bought this (orange flavour) how do you rate it?

i've only tried one other pre-workout drink and that was nox-stac by pvl it worked great but the price has put me off this time

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well im looking at using both volumaize and cellmass. but couldnt help noticing a gaspari product called size on. how come this product never seems to get any mention?

im on sizeon now, and its the 3rd creatine ive tried, and the only one that has made a difference for me. i stack it with superpump, its great. horses for courses, would like to know your dissection on sizeon flex??

i intend to write a product review on sizeon after finishing the tub..

Yeah I like SizeOn. I actually think most of Gaspari's products are pretty well thought out. I've been using SizeOn for a while and find it works well for me. I normally use 3/4 scoop 30 mins before training and then 1 scoop during.

SizOn has three types of creatine it it and it actually has some creatine monohydrate in it so they aren't trying to blind everybody with fancy analogues or long words. They do however push the fact that it also contains Creatine Gluconate instead of Creatine ethyl ester, which is basically creatine bound to glucose instead of a potentially harmful ethyl alcohol molecule. It's also got a form of waxy maize starch in it though they've played around with it a bit and call it Outlast.

Once again it's hard to know how much creatine is actually in it though they do call it the "fastest acting creatine formula in history" so at least they think of it as being a creatine based product.

You've also got glycerol to pull water from under the skin into the muscle cells and Peak ATP which may or may not be as effective as they make it out to be and it's even got Ribose in it which is a little old school now.

The thing that puzzles me about it is that they have listed MCT's or medium chain triglycerides as an ingredient however the nutrition panel shows 0g of fat per serve.

I like it, however the Wildberry sucks arse - way too much colouring for my liking and you walk around the gym looking like a kid drinking a bottle of ribena.

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I like it, however the Wildberry sucks arse - way too much colouring for my liking and you walk around the gym looking like a kid drinking a bottle of ribena.

:ditto:

thanks for that flex, i woulda looked it up myself but to be honest i woudnt have really understood all of what i was reading :grin:

ill be sure to copy and paste youre above comment in my review (unless someone beats me to it!)

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