what is this sport worth to you?

[SoaringSwine]

Bloody hell is that $450 a weeks of groceries?

At the end of the day we are mostly pissing your money away wasting it on supplements. Isn't bodybuilding 70% diet 30% weights (or there abouts) and what sort of genetics you have? If you eat clean (good protein sources), eat like a monster and train like a machine you will get results.

I use protein powder, creatine, vitamins and try other bits and bobs now and then just for shits and giggles.

I think that % thing is a bit silly.

No weights + eating right (on a bulk) = probably just get fat

Weights + shit diet = no gains

I think people prescribe such a high % because it's harder to get right than the weights side of things (for bodybuilding)

[biggurl27]

I think you misconstrued my meaning SS. That is why I put the diet % higer as it is harder to get it right for either cutting/bulking from one person to the next. If bodybuilding was easy everyone would be doing it. The percentage split is purely made up, though a key factor for bulking or cutting is mostly DIET hence the 70/30 split.

We can sling about the heaviest weights for how every many days and do cardio but results will not be as good unless a strict eating regime is followed. You can add supplements to the equation (not including protein powder) but I'm not sure they will make a drastic improvement if you have everything else in check. I'm not anti supplements, I use them but I can't see the point of spending shit loads on them.

[SoaringSwine]

I think you misconstrued my meaning SS. That is why I put the diet % higer as it is harder to get it right for either cutting/bulking from one person to the next. If bodybuilding was easy everyone would be doing it. The percentage split is purely made up, though a key factor for bulking or cutting is mostly DIET hence the 70/30 split.

We can sling about the heaviest weights for how every many days and do cardio but results will not be as good unless a strict eating regime is followed. You can add supplements to the equation (not including protein powder) but I'm not sure they will make a drastic improvement if you have everything else in check. I'm not anti supplements, I use them but I can't see the point of spending shit loads on them.

Na I got what you mean. I just think the % thing is silly. You're not going to live up to 70% of your potential just by eating the right food. That's all I mean.

[1day]

actually i thought it went more like....... 40% diet, 30%train and 30% rest/recovery

[marky65]

In the end I think its worth what ever it takes to get the body that YOU want.

You have to be happy in it so why not mould it to how you want it.

People spend thousands on hobbys and look like crap.....why can't we spend thousands or what ever on our bodies?? :pfft:

[marky65]

Anyone want some Dymatise Elite????

I have 3/4 of a 2kg tub of chocolate (1.6kg gross) left in it.

PM me if interested. Going very very cheap

[nicksmith3]

Apart of protein (including BCAA), fish oil, and creatine.

What other legal supplement has a proven track record?

1. L-Glutamine. (recovery and immune system booster)

2. Caffine extract. (mental focus, performance)

3. Vertago. (Carbohydrate formula, ie mass gainer)

Just to name the 1st off the top of my head..

[tikalosh]

Apart of protein (including BCAA), fish oil, and creatine.

What other legal supplement has a proven track record?

1. L-Glutamine. (recovery and immune system booster)

2. Caffine extract. (mental focus, performance)

3. Vertago. (Carbohydrate formula, ie mass gainer)

Just to name the 1st off the top of my head..

Any evidence/studies to back that up?

[nicksmith3]

Apart of protein (including BCAA), fish oil, and creatine.

What other legal supplement has a proven track record?

1. L-Glutamine. (recovery and immune system booster)

2. Caffine extract. (mental focus, performance)

3. Vertago. (Carbohydrate formula, ie mass gainer)

Just to name the 1st off the top of my head..

Any evidence/studies to back that up?

Yup, try google, medsafe etc

[Nato]

5% training, 60% diet, 35% supps

I train 8hrs a week on a good week.............. but i am a BB 24/7.

That says it all if you want to put a percentage on it

[biggurl27]

Those percentages are just silly :pfft: J/k Nato

[tikalosh]

1. L-Glutamine. (recovery and immune system booster)

2. Caffine extract. (mental focus, performance)

3. Vertago. (Carbohydrate formula, ie mass gainer)

Just to name the 1st off the top of my head..

Any evidence/studies to back that up?

Yup, try google, medsafe etc

What particular evidence made YOU mention these compounds?

[AK]

Apart of protein (including BCAA), fish oil, and creatine.

What other legal supplement has a proven track record?

1. L-Glutamine. (recovery and immune system booster)

2. Caffine extract. (mental focus, performance)

3. Vertago. (Carbohydrate formula, ie mass gainer)

Just to name the 1st off the top of my head..

Glutamine has a hard time making it to skeletal muscle. If I remember correctly the small intestine use it as fuel. :cry:

Caffein does all those wonderful things as well as raises cortisol ( bad news for fat deposit, muscle brake down etc...) decrease insulin sensitivity, adrenalin fatigue.... From the top of my head. I'm not against a cup a joe at all...

Vertago... I don,t know anything about it but I know that I can get dextrose and maltodextrin for a few $ for my post workout shake. They do have a well documented "history".

Just my 2 cents :wink:

[michaelk]

As a valued employee of the recession I keep my spend down :wink: , this is my latest order from the kind guys at BSc (including a couple of the new range of sunnies).

As I'm rehabbing my injury, I am keeping my training, eating and supplementation down to the bare bones at the moment.

[Sportsgirl]

Just protein powder, multivitamin, fish oils for me. I don't spend much on supplements, but I spend A LOT on food :shock:

[nicksmith3]

As a valued employee of the recession I keep my spend down :wink: , this is my latest order from the kind guys at BSc (including a couple of the new range of sunnies).

As I'm rehabbing my injury, I am keeping my training, eating and supplementation down to the bare bones at the moment.

You call that the bare minimum? :pfft:

How much did this stack cost you? Or are you a sponsored athlete?

[biggurl27]

Man you're a lucky bugger with all those sups from BSc Mike! You're wee boy looks cute as with the sunnies hehe

[AgentOrange]

those sunnies look huge on you :pfft:

[auck_builder]

nick i no ur ripped but come on u prob have bloody good genetics, i think most the supps you talk about are a load of shit, are u ripped like that year round or was that for a comp? also would you have used dieritcs (sp) aswell?

[Gym rat]

Mike you are one lucky bugger getting free supplements from BSC.Your wee boy looks cool with the sunnies on.

[soundsgood]

nick i no ur ripped but come on u prob have bloody good genetics, i think most the supps you talk about are a load of shit, are u ripped like that year round or was that for a comp? also would you have used dieritcs (sp) aswell?

Check out his bodyspace! He's ripped like that year round :doh:

[nicksmith3]

nick i no ur ripped but come on u prob have bloody good genetics, i think most the supps you talk about are a load of shit, are u ripped like that year round or was that for a comp? also would you have used dieritcs (sp) aswell?

Check out his bodyspace! He's ripped like that year round :doh:

AB, I would say i finally got my diet dialled in. I actually continued cutting about two months after competing, and really learned what my body responds well to. That way in 2010 when i step on stage again i won't come in soft. :pfft:

As for dieritics, and 'water cutting.' I'm not a fan of either.

There's a balance between the subcatenous layer and the water in your muscles. The body uses it's 'survival' mechanism to maintain that balance at all costs. So if you cut water, all you're really doing is pulling water from the muscle bellies which causes you to look flat.

Since you're muscles are 70% water, even if you carb load you'll still look flat. So contest day i drink about two litres of water just to stay hydrated.

Sodium depleting is one thing you DO want to do. That way you're not holding onto any EXTRA water.

[soundsgood]

I actually continued cutting about two months after competing, and really learned what my body responds well to. That way in 2010 when i step on stage again i won't come in soft. :pfft:

Are you not competing this year Nick?

[nicksmith3]

I actually continued cutting about two months after competing, and really learned what my body responds well to. That way in 2010 when i step on stage again i won't come in soft. :pfft:

Are you not competing this year Nick?

I'd love to bro, but if i want to make some REAL size gains before i step up next, i've got to skip this october's show.

[Matrix]

Nick, are you aiming to make the step from Athletic to Physique or are you gaining more mass to come in closer to the weight limit for your height?

Personally the latter is what I am trying to achieve, to be a competitive Open Athletic rather than a ripped but small physique class competitor.

On the subject of supplements. Personally ive spent lots in the past and very little in the past and I think that the cleaner and better planned your diet is with whole foods the less you need to spend on powders etc. Infact an example of a guy who shows what can be done without supplements is Mr NZ Daniel Hibbs, although to be fair, in an interview, he mentioned that it does take a ridiculous amount of time and self disipline to cook and prepare all those meals.

I find that specific supplements become more important as you diet and get closer to a comp where your energy levels/cals are low. During this period protein, glutamine, creatine, thermos and pre workout boosters etc all are very helpful. However, during a mass gain phase you can get away with less because you are getting more of protein, carbs, vitamins, minerals etc from your whole foods.

Personally, I have found skim milk powder as a convienant, cheap and low G.I. MRP that I use in between whole food meals.

Personally I don't necassarily need the best quality Whey Isolates off season as I have enough carbs in my system to allow lower levels of protein to be effective, but definatley as I drop carbs, I do use a good quality whey to raise my protein levels to stave off catabolism.