Puffy nips

[musclenz]

Tell me about it, he is a good mate but just clueless. He only goes to the gym when he's on cycle. Doesn't bother otherwise. I'll get him to source the nolva.

I don't think he's lactating just yet bulking :pfft:

[soundsgood]

Okay so my mate went ahead and got some Nolvadex anyways just to be on the safe side.

He has also started a cycle of Sustanon. Should he continue on the deca?

And if he does should he use the same amounts of test as deca?

[disasterpiece]

Okay so my mate went ahead and got some Nolvadex anyways just to be on the safe side.

He has also started a cycle of Sustanon. Should he continue on the deca?

And if he does should he use the same amounts of test as deca?

Why dosen't your 'mate' just come on here and ask all these questions?

[samoan_muscle]

Okay so my mate went ahead and got some Nolvadex anyways just to be on the safe side.

He has also started a cycle of Sustanon. Should he continue on the deca?

And if he does should he use the same amounts of test as deca?

Why dosen't your 'mate' just come on here and ask all these questions?

Lol I was going ask the same question...kind of like a typical SWIM post (Someone Who Isnt Me).

Depends how much Sustanon you are running to determine how much deca should be run. Think if was to use about 800mg to 1g of test per week I would run about 400-600mg of deca. Not that Ive used Deca in ages...

[soundsgood]

Why dosen't your 'mate' just come on here and ask all these questions?

Why dont you stay out of this forum, you know nothing useful except for how to grow excess body hair :pfft:

No seriously my mate hardly knows how to turn a computer on and I said I'd help him out.

Thanks for that SamMuscle and the PM's guys :grin:

He gets his vials in 10ml's. He injects with a syringe that is in ml's. How do you convert mg's to ml's?

[disasterpiece]

Why dosen't your 'mate' just come on here and ask all these questions?

Why dont you stay out of this forum, you know nothing useful except for how to grow excess body hair :pfft:

Well it's a genuine question, not a reason to get ur knickers in a twist :roll:

[samoan_muscle]

All depends on what youve got mate...

Sustanon 250 has approx 250mg of testosterone per ml...

Test Enanthate 200 has approx 200mg of testoster per ml...and so on.

I say approx because when you subtract the weight of the ester it turns out to be little less than the specified mg per ml.

[Varven]

I say approx because when you subtract the weight of the ester it turns out to be little less than the specified mg per ml.

How do you calculate that?

Or do you ignore it for all practical reasons?

So if I get test enant 200 and want to be getting 500mg a week.. then I would be shooting 2.5ml's per week right?

or would I need to adjust it upwards by some factor for the esther weight ???

[samoan_muscle]

There is a chart around somewhere on the net which gives the true weight of the steroid per ml after the ester weight has been subtracted from it.

I wouldnt really calculate it against your total weekly doseage, it is almost insignificant, not too sure why I mentioned it in the 1st place lol

[musclenz]

There is a chart around somewhere on the net which gives the true weight of the steroid per ml after the ester weight has been subtracted from it.

I wouldnt really calculate it against your total weekly doseage, it is almost insignificant, not too sure why I mentioned it in the 1st place lol

Actually SM you raise a good point & in fact the ester weight is determined by the chemical complexity of the ester & it does effect potency. The heavier the ester chain, the greater is its percentage of the total weight. In the case of TestE, 250mg of esterified steroid is equal to only 180mg of free testosterone. 70mgs out of each 250mg injection is the weight of the ester.

[Nato]

If he was sticking 2ml of sus a week (500mgs) then 200mgs of deca would be what i would advise (under half). Check the mgs per ml on the deca, Should be on writen the vial, or he should have at least been told how strong it was if it came in to NZ in a foil or what not. Simply......... if it were 200mgs a ml then 1ml deca to every 2ml sus.

This guy sounds like trouble Soundsgood :shock:

[samoan_muscle]

There is a chart around somewhere on the net which gives the true weight of the steroid per ml after the ester weight has been subtracted from it.

I wouldnt really calculate it against your total weekly doseage, it is almost insignificant, not too sure why I mentioned it in the 1st place lol

Actually SM you raise a good point & in fact the ester weight is determined by the chemical complexity of the ester & it does effect potency. The heavier the ester chain, the greater is its percentage of the total weight. In the case of TestE, 250mg of esterified steroid is equal to only 180mg of free testosterone. 70mgs out of each 250mg injection is the weight of the ester.

Really, shit i didnt realise it was that much...been a while since I last looked into it...

[samoan_muscle]

Simply......... if it were 200mgs a ml then 1ml deca to every 2ml sus.

Would agree this actually...half or under would be a good rule of thumb.

[soundsgood]

Okay so 2ml Sus and 1ml Deca per week would be fine

Is it okay to take the sus all on the one day or spread it out, I have heard every other day is recommended

[samoan_muscle]

Take your 1ml deca and 1ml sus on day 1 and 1ml of sus on day 4. Repeat the week after.

[auck_builder]

but in saying that alot of people prefer to run sus EOD...

Heres some more info on the above subject

Testosterone is usually attached to an ester (i.e. when you buy testosterone propionate, the subject of this profile, you are buying testosterone with a propionate ester attached). The ester determines how long it takes your body to dispose of the steroid in question, and propionate is the shortest ester available with a testosterone base (of course, testosterone suspension has no ester). There are enzymes, called esterases, in your body which have the function of removing the ester from steroids, and leaving you with just the steroid molecule with the ester cleaved off. Depending on how heavy the ester chain is, that determines how long it takes the esterase to remove it. And that amount of time determines how long the drug stays active in your body. Great, right? Not really...see, the ester takes up "room" in the injection. Check out this chart:

Chemical = Formula = Molecular Weight = Mg of Testosterone

Testosterone (no ester) = C19 H28 O2 = 288.4mg = 100mg

Propionate = C3 H4 O = 56.1mg = 83.72mg

Cypionate = C8 H4 O = 124.2mg = 69.90mg

Here, we´re comparing Testosterone with no ester (suspension) with Test Propionate and Cypionate (basically the longest vs. shortest esters available with testosterone).

So you see, the longer the ester on the testosterone is, the longer the steroid is active in your body, and the less actual test you get. This is because, for every 100mgs of testosterone cypionate you inject, only 69.90mgs of it is actually testosterone, the rest is the cypionate ester, which must be removed. On the other hand, with the propionate ester you´ll get 83.72mgs of Testosterone! The advantage to longer esters is that they need to be injected less frequently (test prop needs to be injected every other day while you can shoot test cyp once a week). The disadvantage to long estered steroids is that they contain less actual steroid. Anecdotally, however, most people from Steroid.com and other discussion boards who have tried differing esters on their various cycles agree: Testosterone Propionate causes the least side effects and the least bloating. For this reason, it´s often the testosterone of choice in cutting cycles. On a personal note, it´s the only form of testosterone I ever use, and it´s the only one most women will use, due to the previously mentioned factors (as well as it´s ability to clear your body quickly upon cessation in the case of side effects). Testosterone levels when you´re using injectable testosterone propionate begin to decline sharply after the second day of use(5). Obviously this is not the drug of choice for those who are squeamish about injections, you´ll be shooting this stuff every other day at least.

[musclenz]

Its interesting to note that on a testosterone delivered/ per buck ratio, Cyp still wins out by a small margin so prop is slightly more expensive to use - Say

Prop retails @ $200 for a 20ml bottle (100mg/ml) = 1680mg Testosterone

vs

Cyp retailing at $200 for a 10ml vial (250mg/ml) = 1750 Testosterone

However, typically you are going to be injecting say 200mg (2mls) prop (including the ester) M-W-F so its only going to last 3+weeks but you get 500mg of Testosterone roughly PW.

But you might be using only 500mg (2mls) Cyp/Ent PW so that 10 ml vial will last 5 weeks but you are only getting 350mg Test PW.

[Nato]

If its his first cycle?? then 2ml sus and 1ml deca once a week is gonna be plenty! The reson you would jab sus every other day is because of the small amount of prop thats in sus, its only good for a couple of days.

This guy shouldn't be using full stop with what you have said about him training only when he is on, i'm guessing he isn't eating right blar blar. So start him on a light dose he can always take more next time round

[soundsgood]

Nah its his 4th cycle over the past 2 years. The previous three have been deca only with winstrol at the end of the last one but real short cycles like 5-6 weeks :crazy: His results havent been too bad considering

His diet isnt too bad so hopefully he will see good results again

Thanks for all the help :grin:

[Agent]

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[Nato]

All good dude

Look i hate seeing people f*ck them selfs on gear cause it makes us all look bad.

Bring him around one day if you want, I'm happy to tell him what ive done and haven't done, how i done it and what not to do. I won't be mean....... i promise :pfft: :pfft:

[soundsgood]

Bro he would absolutely love that aye. I'll be in touch

[mr natural]

All good dude

Look i hate seeing people f*ck them selfs on gear cause it makes us all look bad.

Bring him around one day if you want, I'm happy to tell him what ive done and haven't done, how i done it and what not to do. I won't be mean....... i promise :pfft: :pfft:

what you've done-everything an anything, what you haven't done-not much

just kidding mate :pfft: :pfft:

[musclenz]

All good dude

Look i hate seeing people f*ck them selfs on gear cause it makes us all look bad.

Bring him around one day if you want, I'm happy to tell him what ive done and haven't done, how i done it and what not to do. I won't be mean....... i promise :pfft: :pfft:

Great to see you doing this Nate, spreading your knowledge & experience. Can only lead to greater understanding & acceptance in the future. Respect, R

[Nato]

I've done my fair share of gear :grin: defenitly not everthing an anything. if people can learn from me thats cool :grin: wish i had someone keen to help when i started out