New Area Rep for NABBA in Christchurch

[tooeasy]

Kingsley Hannah will be taking over the reins from Warren Thin as the new area representative for NABBA in Christchurch. A positive move that is well supported and should see stability and confidence restored in NABBA in Christchurch.

[orange]

Kingsley Hannah, as in a personal trainer at Les Mills Christchurch?

[tooeasy]

Yep, same man. He has a long positive history with NABBA and their competitions in Christchurch.

[Small]

haha..Kingsley "Killa" Hannah :-s

[NABBA]

Well done Kingsley Thanks for stepping up and volunteering. If you ever need a hand etc, feel free to contact the Wellington NABBA reps, we'd be glad to help out.

Thanks also to Warren for his many years dedicated to the sport of bodybuilding and NABBA.

Inyan

NABBA Wellington "Putting athletes first"

[musclenz]

Would that be Kingsley the "compere"??

[SportsGuru]

Good evening and thanks for all the support

For those of you who don’t know me I am Kingsley "Killa" Hannah lol

and as mentioned I have been in and around Body building for many years, my Dad competed many times and inspired me into the fitness industry, although I have never tanned up myself I have been lucky enough to have worked closely with my Friend Warren Thin, and his stepping down has left a massive pair of trunks to fill.

In Helping to get me up to speed Richard and Annette, Phil, Mary-Anne and Jim need to be thanked for Nutting out the direction for NABBA Christchurch in 2009 at an open forum meeting held in Christchurch this week. There are lots of exciting things on the cards, the first and most public is the international Asia pacific champs and the Christchurch classic which will be held at the Aurora Centre on the 11th of April.

There are many of you waiting to see what happens next! I urge you take a pro active stance and help create a great year for all the Christchurch bb shows! The more the merrier

to make the upcomming shows a sucsess, we need local competitors to step on stage, we need trainers and local experts to give advise and suport to the novices, and we need to fill the auditorum and create a show to keep the crowds comming back, to get all of this underway we also require finacail suport,

if your interested in competing, helping out on the day, or sponsoring the show please let me know. any input & sugestions will be well recived and replied to asap

Kingsley Hannah

sportsguru@xtra.co.nz

0275 732332

[musclenz]

Congratulations on getting the Area Rep job Kingsley. I don't think the demise of the local NABBA competitions can be laid at any particular persons feet, other than to say it seems to me & others that I am involved with, that its more the NZ NABBA affiliation that is being seen as the obstacle in the way of any upcoming BBer & their progression through the ranks into top competition. There are many comments on this on the other thread on this forum "NABBA Asia Pacific 2009 CHCH". I believe that NABBA NZ should bite the bullet & put past grievances behind them, & in the interests of NZ competitors, align them selves with the real NABBA World Group & affiliate with the Australian area. There are already a number of competitors going to Australian Competitions this year where the level of competition & the organisation of shows is superior to those in NZ. Actually NABBA Aust have actively been recruiting competitors to their shows. Anyway, good luck with your local endeavours. Maybe you could post up the current status of the Asia Pacific Show for those interested in being involved given that it is only a matter of weeks away.

[Outlaw53]

Congratulations on getting the Area Rep job Kingsley. I don't think the demise of the local NABBA competitions can be laid at any particular persons feet, other than to say it seems to me & others that I am involved with, that its more the NZ NABBA affiliation that is being seen as the obstacle in the way of any upcoming BBer & their progression through the ranks into top competition. There are many comments on this on the other thread on this forum "NABBA Asia Pacific 2009 CHCH". I believe that NABBA NZ should bite the bullet & put past grievances behind them, & in the interests of NZ competitors, align them selves with the real NABBA World Group & affiliate with the Australian area. There are already a number of competitors going to Australian Competitions this year where the level of competition & the organisation of shows is superior to those in NZ. Actually NABBA Aust have actively been recruiting competitors to their shows. Anyway, good luck with your local endeavours. Maybe you could post up the current status of the Asia Pacific Show for those interested in being involved given that it is only a matter of weeks away.

I totally agree with musclenz.

First of all, well done to Kingsly on his appointment, I wish you plenty of success.

Like musclenz, I too would like to see NZ ditch the 'pretend' NABBA for the 'real' NABBA.

I'm sure Graeme would be more than happy to discuss this with you and offer you some support from over here in Australia.

Maybe we could could get some Aust v NZ comps happening too.

Alternating years in each country, it would certainly help strengthen both NZ & Aust.

The way it is now is silly.

Aust & NZ can never compete against each other due to the two different NABBA's.

There are already Kiwi's coming over to Aust to compete, so I'm sure it would be a popular decision amongst the NZ BBers.

Best of luck mate.

[Shapeshifter]

The main problem is an ethical dilemma that has caused a rift. NABBA International are actively working towards healing the relationships so that in the future NABBA can once again be united under 1 flag. An invitation went from NABBA International to Australia for them to bring a team to the Asia Pacific. They may not accept but at least they have been invited in good faith. Seems like some exciting times ahead for Bodybuilding in New Zealand and overseas

[Outlaw53]

The main problem is an ethical dilemma that has caused a rift. NABBA International are actively working towards healing the relationships so that in the future NABBA can once again be united under 1 flag. An invitation went from NABBA International to Australia for them to bring a team to the Asia Pacific. They may not accept but at least they have been invited in good faith. Seems like some exciting times ahead for Bodybuilding in New Zealand and overseas

I can tell you now that 'real' NABBA will never reconcile with 'pretend' NABBA.

There is nothing for them to gain by doing this.

There are only 3-4 countries that compete in 'pretend' NABBA anyway, so it's no great loss to 'real' NABBA if they don't have 'pretend' NABBA's support.

You guys need to ditch the NABBA you are with and become part of the 'real' NABBA.

'Pretend' NABBA is going nowhere.

No one here in Australia even knows that 'pretend' NABBA exists.

Everyone over here just assumes that NZ is part of 'real' NABBA and that NABBA is just one federation, they don't even realise that NABBA is a split federation.

I don't know of anyone here in Australia that received an invitation to the Asia Pacific show.

No one in Australia even knows that it is on.

No offence to any 'pretend' NABBA competitors or officials in NZ, but you are kidding yourself if you think that NABBA International is well known anywhere except for a few countries.

As I said, pretty much no one here in Australia has ever heard of it and the few that have are not interested in supporting it.

I would strongly encourage you guys to consider swapping NABBA's if you want to attend proper World Championships.

Please note, this is not a slight on Kingsly or past NZ NABBA officials, I know how hard it is to run a BBing show so you have both my sympathy and support!

I just wish we could get some decent Aust v NZ competition going, but as it stands now we can't.

I'm just letting you know how things stand here in Australia.

Best of luck whatever you decide to do.

[Shapeshifter]

Change will take time but things are in place to attempt to heal the rift between the NABBA federations for the future of the sport and the competitors.

The competitors can not just ditch NABBA International in New Zealand and align themselves with the original and much larger organization of which Australia is a part of. It has been suggested in the past for the "real" NABBA (as you call it) take over in New Zealand and the competitors would support this. The problem is that the "real" NABBA do not have the resources or the infrastructure to do this in New Zealand and we are not a big enough country to warrant the outlay in setting these things up.

As it stands the competitors in New Zealand would love to compete against our Australian counterparts and the only chance we may get the opportunity to do this officially is to support NABBA International in New Zealand and apply pressure to support change that would allow this to take place.

NABBA International do a fantastic job in New Zealand and run good competitions with world class competitors. It is a shame that politics limits the competitors at this stage.

Many competitors in New Zealand can and will compete in competitions within Australia and the U.K. but this is done in a non-official capacity and not as part of an invited New Zealand team or even as a representative of New Zealand so it does take away some of the national pride associated with trans-Tasman rivalry.

[agent86]

NZ Nabba Worlds are in Spain and the Universe is not confirmed. My guess is it will be in Spain as well. The fact is that anyone doing World's and Universe for NZ Nabba are wasting time and money as it means diddly squat. Our competitors have been cleaning up at Worlds and Universe which should not be happening. It may be an ego trip but now that everyone realises the truth it means nothing. You only have to look at the websites and check out the results and photos. The original split in 2002 reduced our numbers but the final nail in the coffin was in 2006 when the remaining European countries split from us and formed NAC Federation to stop the clash in names with the original Nabba.

Nothing will change so I advise competitors to contact Graeme Lancefield fro Australia Nabba as he is very helpful. Thanks for keeping us informed on whats happening over the ditch Outlaw.

[Outlaw53]

Change will take time but things are in place to attempt to heal the rift between the NABBA federations for the future of the sport and the competitors.

The competitors can not just ditch NABBA International in New Zealand and align themselves with the original and much larger organization of which Australia is a part of. It has been suggested in the past for the "real" NABBA (as you call it) take over in New Zealand and the competitors would support this. The problem is that the "real" NABBA do not have the resources or the infrastructure to do this in New Zealand and we are not a big enough country to warrant the outlay in setting these things up.

As it stands the competitors in New Zealand would love to compete against our Australian counterparts and the only chance we may get the opportunity to do this officially is to support NABBA International in New Zealand and apply pressure to support change that would allow this to take place.

NABBA International do a fantastic job in New Zealand and run good competitions with world class competitors. It is a shame that politics limits the competitors at this stage.

Many competitors in New Zealand can and will compete in competitions within Australia and the U.K. but this is done in a non-official capacity and not as part of an invited New Zealand team or even as a representative of New Zealand so it does take away some of the national pride associated with trans-Tasman rivalry.

Great post mate and there in lies the unfortunate truth.

It would appear that neither Aust or NZ will be swapping NABBA's so we are going to miss out on some fantastic Trans-Tasman rivalries.

This is most unfortunate as I'm sure that Aust & NZ would be very evenly matched which in turn would present for some exciting competitions.

No easy solutions here.

[Outlaw53]

NZ Nabba Worlds are in Spain and the Universe is not confirmed. My guess is it will be in Spain as well. The fact is that anyone doing World's and Universe for NZ Nabba are wasting time and money as it means diddly squat. Our competitors have been cleaning up at Worlds and Universe which should not be happening. It may be an ego trip but now that everyone realises the truth it means nothing. You only have to look at the websites and check out the results and photos. The original split in 2002 reduced our numbers but the final nail in the coffin was in 2006 when the remaining European countries split from us and formed NAC Federation to stop the clash in names with the original Nabba.

Nothing will change so I advise competitors to contact Graeme Lancefield fro Australia Nabba as he is very helpful. Thanks for keeping us informed on whats happening over the ditch Outlaw.

It's nice to see that Australia is not the only country where BBing politics appears to do nothing to help the competitors.

Trust me, things are not much better over here either - the grass is definitely not greener on the other side of 'The Ditch'. :grin:

At least you guys seem to be prepared to discuss it, we just go around hating each others guts in Australia, it's all pretty sad.

It's really disappointing that these kind of arguments always seem split the sport in half.

[nicksmith3]

Change will take time but things are in place to attempt to heal the rift between the NABBA federations for the future of the sport and the competitors.

The competitors can not just ditch NABBA International in New Zealand and align themselves with the original and much larger organization of which Australia is a part of. It has been suggested in the past for the "real" NABBA (as you call it) take over in New Zealand and the competitors would support this. The problem is that the "real" NABBA do not have the resources or the infrastructure to do this in New Zealand and we are not a big enough country to warrant the outlay in setting these things up.

As it stands the competitors in New Zealand would love to compete against our Australian counterparts and the only chance we may get the opportunity to do this officially is to support NABBA International in New Zealand and apply pressure to support change that would allow this to take place.

NABBA International do a fantastic job in New Zealand and run good competitions with world class competitors. It is a shame that politics limits the competitors at this stage.

Many competitors in New Zealand can and will compete in competitions within Australia and the U.K. but this is done in a non-official capacity and not as part of an invited New Zealand team or even as a representative of New Zealand so it does take away some of the national pride associated with trans-Tasman rivalry.

Great post mate and there in lies the unfortunate truth.

It would appear that neither Aust or NZ will be swapping NABBA's so we are going to miss out on some fantastic Trans-Tasman rivalries.

This is most unfortunate as I'm sure that Aust & NZ would be very evenly matched which in turn would present for some exciting competitions.

No easy solutions here.

It's a shame alright. It seems ridiculous that one organisation is really taking a fall because of some issues in politics.

The federation show's here are booming. They have been packed out over and over, and the competitiors are coming in top notch condition. :clap:

[SportsGuru]

It's nice to see that Australia is not the only country where BBing politics appears to do nothing to help the competitors.

Trust me, things are not much better over here either - the grass is definitely not greener on the other side of 'The Ditch'. :grin:

At least you guys seem to be prepared to discuss it, we just go around hating each others guts in Australia, it's all pretty sad.

It's really disappointing that these kind of arguments always seem split the sport in half.

[Optimass]

real nabba ..... pretend nabba .... think about switching nabbas .... :pfft: sounds like a pair of under pants :grin:

Interesting thread anyway

[Outlaw53]

it isnt nice to see any place where the politics getin the way of the end result, but i agree we are willing to discuss it.

I had my tongue planted firmly in my cheek with that quote, I agree 100%, politics is what holds bodybuilding back, but it's obviously the same in every country.

At least over here INBA and ANB get together each year and work out their contest calendar for the year so as not to conflict with each other.

This is great for our natural BBers as they get to compete in both federations.

What do you think the chances are of getting IFBB and NABBA to do the same?

Too much old blood in BBing, the sport needs a good clean out.

[Shapeshifter]

This has been attempted in good faith in the past but the selfish agendas of some individuals has thwarted this every time.

[musclenz]

it isnt nice to see any place where the politics getin the way of the end result, but i agree we are willing to discuss it.

I had my tongue planted firmly in my cheek with that quote, I agree 100%, politics is what holds bodybuilding back, but it's obviously the same in every country.

At least over here INBA and ANB get together each year and work out their contest calendar for the year so as not to conflict with each other.

This is great for our natural BBers as they get to compete in both federations.

What do you think the chances are of getting IFBB and NABBA to do the same?

Too much old blood in BBing, the sport needs a good clean out.

That is they key in a country of only 4 million people. We are not big enough for both. Just have to sort out the drug testing criteria which is a joke considering that most IFBB Pros are geared up to the eyeballs. Its not like we are asking or getting any financial support from local goverment.

[SportsGuru]

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That is they key in a country of only 4 million people. We are not big enough for both. Just have to sort out the drug testing criteria which is a joke considering that most IFBB Pros are geared up to the eyeballs. Its not like we are asking or getting any financial support from local goverment.

i agree that being a small contry poses problems but i belive there is definatly room for both federations, being an oficial for one federation to me dosenot mean i cant suport the other ( sure MD and i arnt going to go door knocking selling tickets to each others shows) but i certianly wont be slaging off any aspect of his work or orgainisation ither, i think having the options available for competitors and the public is important.

[musclenz]

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That is they key in a country of only 4 million people. We are not big enough for both. Just have to sort out the drug testing criteria which is a joke considering that most IFBB Pros are geared up to the eyeballs. Its not like we are asking or getting any financial support from local goverment.

i agree that being a small contry poses problems but i belive there is definatly room for both federations, being an oficial for one federation to me dosenot mean i cant suport the other ( sure MD and i arnt going to go door knocking selling tickets to each others shows) but i certianly wont be slaging off any aspect of his work or orgainisation ither, i think having the options available for competitors and the public is important.

Well the lack of competitors & public at your show in Sept suggests to me that there is not room for both. If you are implying that it gives competitors a chance to choose between being natty or geared then I would suggest that you are a little naive in what happens in both camps, & what may happen if there is a change in the administration & politics in NZFBB.

[Shapeshifter]

The lack of competitors and spectators at the NABBA South Island Champs in 2008 shows nothing more than a lack of support and faith in NABBA that was evident at the time.

Past history shows that NABBA has held two competitions per year in Christchurch and every competition has been supported by world class athletes and a total of at least 30 competitors at every competition.

This alone proves that the sport in Christchurch (and New Zealand) is very healthy and very viable for both organizations.

With new blood in NABBA and restored confidence, the sport and the quality of the competitions is set to thrive once more.

[tooeasy]

Both NZFBB and NABBA have a checkered history where at times money has been more important than the sport or the competitors.

There are enough competitors and spectators to support both NABBA and NZFBB and heathy competition to promote and attract competitors can only improve the sport.

In a sport that forces competitors to push their bodies beyond the limits there will always be a place for two different bodybuilding organisations with different attitudes to survive.