NABBA Asia Picific 2009 Christchurch

[tooeasy]

Great to see an international competition in New Zealand. Who is planning on having a crack at this one?

[Darwinstef]

I got an invite to atttend but as I still walking like a cripple the old cardio to get in shape may be a bit of an ask. Bummed to have to decline . Will go and watch though.

[luv.me.oats]

Yep, got an invite - just getting back into the swing of things, have until March to RSVP.

[Nato]

International event?? I would be very very surprised if there was anyone competing from anywhere other than NZ!

[tooeasy]

So far there are a number of countries that have expressed an interest in bringing teams over for this competition so it would be safe to say it will be a reasonably good international event for new Zealand Bodybuilding.

[bigmd]

the Pro am is an internation event, leading up to the nationals, when did it last have an overseas competitor? the last 2 shows held at the start of the yr in Ch Ch by NABBA didnt break 15 competitors. and if its going to be held at the neigo mash........ thats venue is not good enough to hold a high school press up competition let alone an international bodybuilding show!!!!!

[Gym rat]

NABBA should hold the NABBA Asia Pacfic Christchurch at bigger venue that holds 600 or 700 people with bigger back stage which would be ideal plus it would not make thinghs as crowed with athlets from overseas and from NZ also the same for the judges and officals etc.

[INSPECTOR64]

NABBA should hold the NABBA Asia Pacfic Christchurch at bigger venue that holds 600 or 700 people with bigger back stage which would be ideal plus it would not make thinghs as crowed with athlets from overseas and from NZ also the same for the judges and officals etc.

Maybe you could donate some of the money your gonna make off your movie gymrat so that the organisers can get a bigger venue?

[musclenz]

NABBA should hold the NABBA Asia Pacfic Christchurch at bigger venue that holds 600 or 700 people with bigger back stage which would be ideal plus it would not make thinghs as crowed with athlets from overseas and from NZ also the same for the judges and officals etc.

The Ngaio Marsh Theatre holds 430 people. The venue is adequate for an International Show of the size that NABBA (NZ) would be likely to stage. If there were 430 people attending paying $80 for the Evening Show & say 250 for Pre Judging at $40 the promotor would get in nearly $45K.

[weener lad]

NABBA should hold the NABBA Asia Pacfic Christchurch at bigger venue that holds 600 or 700 people with bigger back stage which would be ideal plus it would not make thinghs as crowed with athlets from overseas and from NZ also the same for the judges and officals etc.

The Ngaio Marsh Theatre holds 430 people. The venue is adequate for an International Show of the size that NABBA (NZ) would be likely to stage. If there were 430 people attending paying $80 for the Evening Show & say 250 for Pre Judging at $40 the promotor would get in nearly $45K.

Sorry the Ngaio Marsh Theatre is NOT suitable for any show let alone an international event. This is one of many reasons NABBA shows get a poor attendance in CHCH. The venue should be clean, tidy, easy to find and comfortable to help bring in the uneducated public.

[Gym rat]

Let say the show was to be held in the James Hay theater and say 500 people attend the pre judging tickets at $45 and the finals 900 people attend the show tickets $80 per person the promotor would make $92k and 500 dollars which would be better then making 45k

[bigmd]

Let say the show was to be held in the James Hay theater and say 500 people attend the pre judging tickets at $45 and the finals 900 people attend the show tickets $80 per person the promotor would make $92k and 500 dollars which would be better then making 45k

when was the last time any SI show had 500 perople in the crowd let alone 900. i use the aurora for my shows which holds 700, even though it looks fullish in the evening shows its only scraping 400 bums on seats

Nice thought but wont happen! yes the Ngaio can hold a crowd that can pay the bills. but the back of house is disgusting 20 atheltes and its cramped 50 and ur pretty much screwed! $125 to see pre judging and finals??????? thats more than it will cost you to go to a Pro event!

If this show gets anyone from overseas, it will be one or two and at the most a small handfull. If NABBA was sure this was going to be a success they would have most definatly moved venues, hence the 2000 world were held at the Town Hall. I could be wrong but i see the running of this show as trying to put a really big flash looking bandaid on two inch gaping wound. NABBAs whole archillis heal at the moment is what to do with Ch Ch so why would you take the worst performing region and give them a flagship international competion?? would it not make more sence to get Peter hardwick to run an international show in Auck.

You can take 50cc scooter and put harley badges on it!!!..... it s still a 50 cc scooter, and my prediction is that is what is happening with the old Garden city classic!! same show different badge!!

[Andrew]

Hay Bigmd could you please stop hassling NABBA, the problem with the Christchurch is the area rep and with any luck that will be sorted out alot sooner rather then later!!

The venue is not the Ngaio Marsh it is going to be the Aurora Centre, ticket prices have not been confirmed so I don't know where the $80 & $40 came from?

As for competitors coming from over seas goes I'm pretty sure there will be a team coming over from the Philippines.

[bigmd]

Andrew.

As an ex NABBA competitor and some one who has trained many many many atheletes to compete in NABBA, my concerns are well warrented, before i moved back to the NZFBB, right back in 2003 NABBA meet with myself Prisiclla clarke and Steve barry ( a very well regarded businessman heavily involved with the fitness industry in the SI and Australasia) regarding the issues they were having in Ch Ch. we all were keen to help out and make some change. 5yrs down the track and still nothing has been done. There are people down here with true passion screaming to make a difference in NABBA SI. Even though i run the NZFBB here in the SI i still have atheletes that i train to compete in NABBA events so as a trainer of Bodybuilders NABBA NZFBB or other i will speak my mind untill i see positive change!!!

Some of my best mates are NABBA and some of the people i respect the most in NZ BBing are NABBA so i dont hassle NABBA but as i said i will speak my mind,

As for Ticket prices, i didnt bring up those figures and as my last post said those attendance numbers,ticket prices and hence profits quoted earlier are unlikley.

[michaelk]

Hay Bigmd could you please stop hassling NABBA, the problem with the Christchurch is the area rep and with any luck that will be sorted out alot sooner rather then later!!

The venue is not the Ngaio Marsh it is going to be the Aurora Centre, ticket prices have not been confirmed so I don't know where the $80 & $40 can from?

As for competitors coming from over seas goes I'm pretty sure there will be a team coming over from the Philippines.

GET REAL Andrew, I read people having plenty of shots on this site for years at NZFBB about everything from drug testing, to pro qualifying to judging decisions and everything in between... I've been accused of (and rightly so to some degree) "riding in on my white horse" to defend the federation, now some home truths are being spelt out by a past national champ with inside knowlege of BOTH federations who also promotes shows in the very city people are discussing.

Are you saying that people shouldn't lay critiscism at the feet of NABBA when its due, and if it is due, isn't Mike D probably the most qualified on here to make the comments.

Personally I've been relieved to see a little heat on NABBA after all the ra ra that has gone of about why they are so better that NZFBB, it is only my respect for Warren and what a legend of the sport in NZ that has seen me hold my opinion.

From what I hear Mark Anderson is doing a stella job in Nelson, and it sounds like he is the man to take the federation forward in the Sth Island. Credit where its due, and balanced critiscism of both feds also when due.

[Matrix]

I think the timing of the early season events does tend to put them at a disadvantage as IMO it is difficult to attract large numbers of competitors, especially those kiwi competitors with Nationals ambitions as these events are just so far away from the Nationals in October. Peaking once is a tough, but twice, especially when so far apart means that numbers do tend to suffer. On this point I agree with the experienced NZFBB guys. Timing would be a disadvantage.

As far as the venue goes, I have not seen those venues so I cant make an educated comment on them, however with regard to "The digusting" backstage conditions mentioned, are they disgusting(unsanitary) or just not ideal with regard to lighting/mirrors and space etc?

Both Federations have had there fair share of "Marginal" backstage conditions. My point is not to criticize and compare Federations (as I have attended and enjoyed shows from both), just to mention that both have put on good and not so good comps.

As far as being a competitor goes, yes I agree that, in the case of the pro level comps that Mike K and Mike D compete in, a standard of excellence should be provided with regard to lighting, miirors, space, pump up gear, catering etc, however, at smaller, lower level amateur comps it is unreasonable for competitors and attendees to expect such facilities given the budgets and numbers attending.

Compare an All Blacks game to an All Whites game: Big difference in level of service/catering/entertainment/organisation and ticket price.

At amateur level, whilst having excellent facilities and ammneities is nice, from a competitor point of view, if youve done all your homework(training, tanning, presentaion) then not having exceptional facilities shouldn't effect you too much. In fact, if your well prepared and focused, it shouldn't make too much difference.

Being well prepared is key. If youre not allowed a tanner backstage, then get tanned before and only have the stewards do touch up work etc.

If you are a spectator and the venue isn't that flash, try making the most of it. After all youv'e paid to see your family member/friend compete, you can either enjoy it or sulk over it and leave. Personally i'd prefer to stay and support the person that ive come to see.

[agent86]

The Asia Pacific Champs 2007 were contested by two countries, New Zealand and Phillipines. 2008 saw more competitors from Phillipines, India and New Zealand. I guess there could be some competitors from Phillipines coming.

It is a difficult time to compete as most bodybuilders are still getting over their end of year diet. I presume it is a qualifier for the World's in but is a long way out from June 15.

I know of at least 3 top Nabba Competitors who are doing Australian comps in May and June

We will have to wait and see who turns up but Nabba is still smarting from the debacle over the cancelled Universe last year.

There could be a good turnout as Nabba people are desperate for some decent International competition.At least they won't waste an International Airfare to find out.

[Nato]

Interesting............

The biggest proplem NABBA NZ has is it isnt alined with the real NABBA. An international event? How mant countrys does that involve? Not alot!

I would not make the effert to compete at an international event in the NABBA NZ as the level of compition would be no better than our nationals.

For someone who has reached the top level in NZ and is wanting to move forward, Aussie is where its at :nod:

NABBA's problem starts at the top of its chain of comand!

[Outlaw53]

Very interesting debate.

Things are exactly the same over here in Aust. I too doubt that there will be many international competitors at this show.

We have the NABBA International over here which has been running for 2yrs.

First year saw around 8 competitors, it was an All-Female show.

The second year men were invited, and it attracted more competitors, but only 2 international ones, both from NZ.

Unless you guys support it again this year, we will get no international competitors.

It's really just a name, it's not like it's a NABBA World or NABBA Universe.

Those are really the only two serious international NABBA shows.

Like you guys, the NABBA boys here in Aust get the shits if anyone questions any NABBA shows, but they are quick to sink the boots into the IFBB at any opportunity.

I dunno about NZ, but over here in Aust there are problems with both feds, none are much better than the other to be honest.

Best of luck with your show, but don't expect it to attract anyone outside of NZ.

[tooeasy]

Things got a bit off-track but interesting comments. NABBA are holding a meeting in Christchurch next week to discuss the future of their competitions in Christchurch and to implement possible changes that should benefit competitors. The coming Asia Pacific & Christchurch Classic competitions will be run by NABBA HQ and the venue is the Aurora Centre in Burnside High School. Although the Asia Pacific competition is in its infancy it will attract some international competitors. All of these things are indicators that NABBA are moving forward in a positive direction that will benefit competitors and should return some confidence with NABBA in Christchurch. This event should be supported because to do so would only improve the quality of Bodybuilding competitions in Christchurch and this is a win/win situation for everyone.

[musclenz]

Interesting............

The biggest proplem NABBA NZ has is it isnt alined with the real NABBA. An international event? How mant countrys does that involve? Not alot!

I would not make the effert to compete at an international event in the NABBA NZ as the level of compition would be no better than our nationals.

For someone who has reached the top level in NZ and is wanting to move forward, Aussie is where its at :nod:

NABBA's problem starts at the top of its chain of comand!

If you want to qualify for the NABBA Universe in London, Aust is your only way. Thats where where some of our top guys & gals are heading this year. Southport Qld on 13 Sept Nationals, Melbourne following weekend (not confirmed)

[agent86]

Yes Nato and Musclenz there are a few competitors who realise the amazing competition in Southport Universe and the Worlds which are in Slovakia this year. I know of a few who are going to Australia including me. If I can afford I will do Southport. Nabba NZ is sticking with it's principles but not thinking of the competitors. Outlaw is right about International events but the truth is Europeans won't travel far as there is an abundance of competitions over there.It is a shame that someone of Nato's calibre is crossing the ditch to get decent competition. It is a hollow victory to win a Universe or World's when the competition is poor.

[Outlaw53]

You guys need to ditch that 'pretend' NABBA and align yourself with the 'real' NABBA.

Those 'pretend' NABBA titles are just that - pretend titles.

No one knows about them, no one cares about them, they mean nothing.

The Southern Hemisphere in QLD on the 24th May is the qualifier for the NABBA Worlds and the NABBA Aust titles is the qualifier for the NABBA Universe in the UK.

The Aussie title date and venue is still uncertain.

At the moment it's booked in for Sept 19th here in Melb, but it may get put back to mid Oct and could possibly be held in Sydney.

You are far better off coming over here to compete so that you can qualify for a proper International show, not one that has only three countries to compete against.

[Nato]

That is just what i was bitching at earlier Outlaw

I will be at competing in Aussie on May 24th :nod: flights are booked :nod:

Its so much easer to train for a comp when you know there will be some strong compitition!

[musclenz]

That is just what i was bitching at earlier Outlaw

I will be at competing in Aussie on May 24th :nod: flights are booked :nod:

Its so much easer to train for a comp when you know there will be some strong compitition!

All the best with that Nato. May is not that far away. Our lot are not quite ready for the May comps so its all on for Sept & hoping the Nationals are the following week in Melbourne.