Tua or Cameron

[bigred8]

i agree, one thing tua had was the fitness to be strong through the whole 12 rounds.

the title fight was crap due to lewis playing it safe although he did get tagged a few times, tua did a crap job of closing the distance and keeping lewis within punching range. since then tua has looked more and more beatable and less and less dangerous to the point where i believe he should have retiered years ago.Tua at one stage looked like he had world title ablilty but thats long past.After camerons fight with friday it looks obvious that cameron does not have the ability to reach that level either though mostly due to the ease at which he cuts.

I don't think camerons issues with cuts are going to be a factor because i don't beleive tua's going to hit him enough throughout the fight though.

Agree with you almost totally, except, with respect:

1. Tua was reluctant to engage against Lewis (thats why the range wasn't closed... he was overawed and probably a bit scared). That spoke volumes.

2. I think Cameron's lack of ability to reach the highest level is not primarily down to cut-propensity, but simple lack of natural skill and power. He gives 100%, is a good, honest strong boxer, but does not have the skills, or true power of a top world class heavyweight.

[LOS]

Cameron all the way.He will be too technical for Tua.Tua fought a bunch of bums to get a world title shot and was a disgrace.He's fought 9 minutes in the last 17months.Go the GREAT WHITE HOPE.

LMFAO!

Hasim Rahman, Oleg Maskaev, David Izonritei, John Ruiz, Michael Moorer. bums?

thats abit harsh, a couple of former world champs there.

Im picking Tua by K.O

[superman]

tua all the way lights out game over end of story :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

[quotejoss]

Does anyone know if the TAB are going to add more betting options for this fight than they have ATM?

[gazza]

i agree, one thing tua had was the fitness to be strong through the whole 12 rounds.

the title fight was crap due to lewis playing it safe although he did get tagged a few times, tua did a crap job of closing the distance and keeping lewis within punching range. since then tua has looked more and more beatable and less and less dangerous to the point where i believe he should have retiered years ago.Tua at one stage looked like he had world title ablilty but thats long past.After camerons fight with friday it looks obvious that cameron does not have the ability to reach that level either though mostly due to the ease at which he cuts.

I don't think camerons issues with cuts are going to be a factor because i don't beleive tua's going to hit him enough throughout the fight though.

Agree with you almost totally, except, with respect:

1. Tua was reluctant to engage against Lewis (thats why the range wasn't closed... he was overawed and probably a bit scared). That spoke volumes.

2. I think Cameron's lack of ability to reach the highest level is not primarily down to cut-propensity, but simple lack of natural skill and power. He gives 100%, is a good, honest strong boxer, but does not have the skills, or true power of a top world class heavyweight.

tua will hit cameron, the frequency is not relevant as, IF tua is fit and in the right place mentally, he will only need one clean shot.

good point bigred, tua was overawed by the occassion when he fought lewis and said as much in a post fight interview, also said he was a little scared of lewis.

i'm not faulting camerons guts or work ethic but you hit the nail on the head regards is potential to be a top heavyweight especially when you have guys like the klitscho brothers and nikolai valuev in the sport, valuev is not an amzing talent but the share size of the man makes a mediocore boxer dangerous.

[BANG]

tua hasnt been koed as a pro.was koed by felix savon in the olympics was alot smaller than wen he went pro.

tua to win by mid rnd ko.

camerons str8 forward style is a perfect fit for tua and is going to be the reason he doesnt last long.FOREMAN V FRAZIER comes to mind.

[lordan]

shit his brain did get stunned a bit unbelievable

[keats]

Tua now paying $1.60 and Cameron $2.25.

[Laver]

tua hasnt been koed as a pro.was koed by felix savon in the olympics was alot smaller than wen he went pro.

tua to win by mid rnd ko.

camerons str8 forward style is a perfect fit for tua and is going to be the reason he doesnt last long.FOREMAN V FRAZIER comes to mind.

Tua didn't get knocked out - it was a head clash, forehead vs temple!

[Rag the Dog]

easy money, Tua has looked like a drunken bar brawler in his recent? fights. Cameron wont knock him out cause no one can ... but if Cameron can stay out of his way he will beat Tua easy on points after round 12. No problems, Tua was world class, but even then he won heaps of fights (that he should have lost), with one good punch. Word on talk sport is that Sky are pay per viewing it. Might be off to the pub for Raggy

[INSPECTOR64]

Rumour has it that the tuaman has been training the gym down....Even if he turns up at 80% fitness he'll still beat the mountain warrior.If you wana throw ur money away thats up to you.

[Small]

yay im going \:D/

[gazza]

hope you don't get hypothermia small!! or are you forking out tha big $$$$ for ringside seats \:D/ :pfft:

the end result will still be a formality though, tua wins by KO :nod: :nod: :nod: :clap:

[Small]

hope you don't get hypothermia small!! or are you forking out tha big $$$$ for ringside seats \:D/ :pfft:

dad shuld be able to get the bizzo w his connections haha

nah idk free for me-idc where im sitting

[grinder]

Anyone notice Shane wincing as his right glove was taken off after the fight tonight? Also notice he was punching predominantly with his left? Maybe an injury in the Cameron Camp..

[auck_builder]

yea i think so. he was to obvious in using his left, he would of knocked that dude out way sooner if his right was ok

[mrgeeky]

Jeeze, even a ring rusty fat Tua would take Cameron to task.. Camerons good, but just not good enough to leg it with the big boys.. Look at the class of fighters he has fought over the years.. Every one he has fought would be classed as a bum to Tua. Tuas way to strong for Cameron. Think of it this way, Tua has never been hurt, do you think Cameron could do what no other has done? Cameron's fight tonight should give you all a heads up. He was landing full power shots on the Jaw of his opponent and still couldnt drop him and his opponent was a punch bag. Can you imagine him hurting Tua. Not in this life time. As much as I like and respect Shane, the only reason he's in this fight is for the money. I just hope a very ring rusty Tua's timing is out so badly that he doesnt actually hurt Shane too badly.. I think shane deserves this win, he has worked far harder than Tua, trained much harder, no layoffs over the years like Tua. But the reality is, Shane is just out of Tuas league.. As ring rusty as Tua is, his rockhard Samoan jaw and his natural strength and ability is going to be way too much for poor Shane.. :-(

[gazza]

Jeeze, even a ring rusty fat Tua would take Cameron to task.. Camerons good, but just not good enough to leg it with the big boys.. Look at the class of fighters he has fought over the years.. Every one he has fought would be classed as a bum to Tua. Tuas way to strong for Cameron. Think of it this way, Tua has never been hurt, do you think Cameron could do what no other has done? Cameron's fight tonight should give you all a heads up. He was landing full power shots on the Jaw of his opponent and still couldnt drop him and his opponent was a punch bag. Can you imagine him hurting Tua. Not in this life time. As much as I like and respect Shane, the only reason he's in this fight is for the money. I just hope a very ring rusty Tua's timing is out so badly that he doesnt actually hurt Shane too badly.. I think shane deserves this win, he has worked far harder than Tua, trained much harder, no layoffs over the years like Tua. But the reality is, Shane is just out of Tuas league.. As ring rusty as Tua is, his rockhard Samoan jaw and his natural strength and ability is going to be way too much for poor Shane.. :-(

:clap: :clap: \:D/ agreed

i don't wish any ill will to shane but he was beinc hit at will by a bloke he should've put away. tua will only need one such opportunity and it will all be over. granted cameron can take a hit but no one has hit him like tua will

[JamesR32GTR]

If it goes the distance tua will be fuked he is fat and slow after the 3rd round..

Also Tua = thick as pick sh1t ..canz eyez haz ands 0 forz awesomez shhhhhhhhhhhhh

[mrgeeky]

Even a fat unfit tua would have far more stamina that a very fit Cameron.. Check out Camerons fight the other night. Shane at his extreme fittest does not have the ability to throw huge haymakers all night long like Tua did.. Now go check out Tua at his fittest.. Check out the DAVID TUA VS IKE IBEABUCHI fight.. That should be one hell of an eye opener for you.. Tua at his fittest was probably one of the fittest boxers in history, with the most punches thrown in the heavyweight division, and thats ever! David even in the final rounds still has knock out ability.. Im picking, due to Davids genetics, even a fat overweight Tua would make a very fit Cameron look bad.. Win to Tua by KO in the first three rounds..

[KING LEONIDUS]

All the hype and build up around this fight is great but unfortunately is also leading towards a big upset for the thousands that think someones goin down in the earlier rounds..with Tua promising to weigh in well under 240 pounds, the Tua camp are moulding a more fit, mobile Tua with speciality training matched to that of Cameron to minimize the height/reach disadvantage suggesting that the game plan is to stick and go the rounds if need be..Me personally I think Cameron is in great form and will have no problems fitness wise goin the rounds.Has the perfect style for his height to weight ratio but just needs to cover more efiiciently and pick the shots that counts..sorry to dissapoint but sadly this ones goin the distance with a shallow victory to Cameron by decision..

[1day]

:roll: i think its funny for those of use that are certain who will win.(how much of an ass will u feel when your guy doesnt? after all your big long predictions :doh: ) at the end of the day it will be 'who gets in that lucky punch' or 'who wears down the quickest' on the day. i personally would like to see cameron take it but im not saying he will or not :shifty:

[grinder]

Yup, I thought so. NZ herald has article that Shane has injured his right hand.. Better hope it heals in time or there will be no fight...

[gazza]

:roll: i think its funny for those of use that are certain who will win.(how much of an ass will u feel when your guy doesnt? after all your big long predictions :doh: ) at the end of the day it will be 'who gets in that lucky punch' or 'who wears down the quickest' on the day. i personally would like to see cameron take it but im not saying he will or not :shifty:

cameron could land 10 lucky punches on tua and it won't budge him, he has NEVER been knocked down and he has fought a plethera of world class fighters compared to camerons.. ah let me think...NONE. least of all the handful of ex-world champs. camerons easier to hit than nz cricket teams bowling, he can take a punch but not all night from a guy with tuas power.

i won't feel stupid if tua loses, i will concede i was wrong and give cameron his dues for beating an accomplished boxer( all be it one that is fading)

[etuate]

Some people don't realise that Lewis is quite possibly one of the best heavyweights of all time. Personally, I rank him amongst the greatests of all time alongside the likes of Ali and Tyson. If you beg to differ, I would simply like to sideline your arguments and suggest you go back and watch the fights, perhaps even learn to box yourself. The Lewis, Tua fight was a huge disappointment as a lot of us wanted to see Tua win. I guess it just wasn't going to happen. Lewis is far to scientific and clinical in his approaches in the ring. Tua came with little movement, has never been a great angle fighter. In a post fight interview, Lewis did mention Tua tagging him a few times and he said he felt his power was enormous. He even gave Tua a lot of punishment, and he took it right on the chin. Anyway, I'm getting carried away. The above rant is purely frustration of having to read through 5 pages of post with people citing this fight then basing their views on Tua on this. RAH! :evil:

I'm agreeing with a lot of what people have already brought up with Tua having not fought for so long in the ring. The fitness also is something I agree with that maybe a factor. However, like others have brought up, the pedigree of fighters Tua has fought is very telling. Cameron is someone who I have supported since Manchester, but I don't think he truely possess power to put Tua away. Nor do I think he possess the necessary technical skill. He has been improving, but I haven't seen anything that has pursuaded me to believe he can really do the job on Tua. As far as I can see, the only person who can beat Tua in this fight is Tua. Now that the fight is not till October, that really only gives more advantage to Tua to train his guts out or sit around. Cameron really does have to hope to avoid him for 12 and go for a decisions win.