Ultimate recovery stack between weights and running

[Pete]

OK so if I go for a run after weights in order to keep a bit of fat off, is it beneficial to have something like Balance's Ultimate Recovery Stack between? Or would this be pointless or even counter-productive.

I have a tub of it in the pantry and have to use it sometime in the next 3 months...

[1day]

stuff ,ur kean mate. i cant do stuff all after my trainings ,litle own tryng to go for a run :oops:

if im to do any cardio il do it morning (as i train in afternoon) so i can chillax in between :roll:

[craig.j]

id have it after the run, id be burping / spewing it up otherwise.

I just started using it to and its not somthing that would enhance running while 'on' it i dont think

[Pete]

It was more to protect the good work done at the gym than enhance running at all

Keen... yep, but not keen enough to get up in the morning and run :wink:

[Flex]

It's designed to spike your blood sugar/insulin levels to improve nutrient absorption so you'd probably crash and burn within about 20mins of starting your run. However you're not doing yourself much benefit by running after weight training as you are running on empty and while you're in a catabolic state. You could have some BCAA's or aminos to help, but you'd be better off either splitting your training up with cardio in the am and weights pm, or on alternating days.

[orange]

I agree. Feeding your muscles is your post workout priority. Finish your workout and start consuming food to help you recover. And have a good rest. You can run at the other end of the day to your weights session or on days when you don't touch the weights.

[Justme]

I agree that you should be doing your running and weights at separate times, but in regards to the Ultimate Recovery Stack, it's an awesome product that you can use after both weight training and running.

It works to help repair muscles with glutamine, BCAA's and HMB, so you don't end up as sore as you might have if you hadn't taken it after either your weight train or run. It's got Beta-Alanine in it which works to delay the build up of lactic acid, meaning you can train longer and harder. It just helps you to push through those last few reps that might have otherwise been impossible with the lactic acid burning. It's also got creatine in it, so it's gunna help with strength gains which again is gunna be beneficial for training. Other than those it's got some other vitamins and minerals that help to relax muscles and help with energy and stuff.

It's a really good product to use if you want an all in one, so you don't have to take all the extra supps. You can still take glutamine alongside it cos your body needs tonnes of it if your training.

[Small]

It's got Beta-Alanine in it which works to delay the build up of lactic acid, meaning you can train longer and harder.

yes but it is called Ultimate recovery used for after weight training, thus it will have no effect on your weight training, nor lactic acid build up; negating your point.

i hope you dont work for balance, as both of your 2 posts have been on balance related products. if you do, then present us with interesting logical information please

on a side note-what do people think of the flavour-i think i have orange and OMG it did not taste like orange :-s

[Pete]

I don't mind the flavour but it's certainly not something I savour

I was looking at running after the gym as I wanted to very quickly lose the kgs put on over the holidays but I seem to have gotten back on track reasonably quickly anyway.

[samoan_muscle]

on a side note-what do people think of the flavour-i think i have orange and OMG it did not taste like orange :-s

What did it taste like Mrs. Small?

[Flex]

yes but it is called Ultimate recovery used for after weight training, thus it will have no effect on your weight training, nor lactic acid build up; negating your point.

i hope you dont work for balance, as both of your 2 posts have been on balance related products. if you do, then present us with interesting logical information please

on a side note-what do people think of the flavour-i think i have orange and OMG it did not taste like orange :-s

Yeah they do sound like balance rep, but Small I think you misunderstand how beta alanine works. Used over time, beta alanine will increase carnosine levels, which should then result in reduced acid buildup, but it needs to be used regularly for at least a month to get the most benefit. Just using it prior to training probably ain't going to do much for you except make you tingle a bit as the beta alanine doesn't go to work that quickly. Used every day and particularly after every training session (for at least a month) probably is the best way to use it.

The flavour's whack because of the HMB in it - there's not a lot that can be done to mask that flavour unfortunately.

[Small]

Yeah they do sound like balance rep, but Small I think you misunderstand how beta alanine works. Used over time, beta alanine will increase carnosine levels, which should then result in reduced acid buildup, but it needs to be used regularly for at least a month to get the most benefit.

cheers Flex, thats cleared alot up

What did it taste like Mrs. Small?

ive had a good think about this and it tastes like a couple soluble panadol tablets mixed with that disgusting (not just juice-maybe keri) almost vomit tasting juice that has been diluted down to the max!!

"great taste" my ass.

[teamfatboy]

"great taste" my ass.

There are probably better ways to express that concept - what WAS your NCEA english mark :grin:

[Small]

"great taste" my ass.

There are probably better ways to express that concept - what WAS your NCEA english mark :grin:

excuse you

NCEA LVL 3 English: E E E E M M

8)

[teamfatboy]

:clap: OK, so I always knew you were a smartie-pants... but that's not too shabby... kinda means you're way too smart to be a lawyer!

[Android]

Just using it prior to training probably ain't going to do much for you except make you tingle a bit as the beta alanine doesn't go to work that quickly. Used every day and particularly after every training session (for at least a month) probably is the best way to use it.

I disagree with this, I take it pre-workout and get noticeable effects during my workout from it. I would never take it post-workout.

iSatori H+Blocker says to take pre-workout, Controlled Lab's Purple Wraath says ditto and has BCAAs in it to sip during the workout as well.

It takes 3 hrs after ingesting Beta Alanine for your body to return to the new supplemented carnosine baseline levels, why not take it 1 hour before a workout and enjoy the blood concentration spike and thus the benefits of greater muscle endurance...don't get that sorry Flex?

Maybe though just pure Beta-Alanine with nothing else is what you are meaning? Supplement companies put in other ingredients like Citrulline malate and Arginine, Caffeine etc which may dictate that is to be taken pre-workout.

If it doesn't work that quickly and ingestion time doesn't matter then pre or post shouldn't matter either. Kind of like taking Creatine pre-workout. It's supposed to be a post-workout supp that restores your levels for the NEXT workout, but what does taking it 2 hrs prior really do? Nothing bad it's just 2 hrs earlier and happens to be an hour before a workout. If it isn't going to be ready for use no biggie it'll still be there for tomorrow's workout just as if you'd taken it 2 hrs later (post workout).

About 1.5kg of chicken meat per day supplies half the recommended Beta Alanine dosage. So eating more meat is again preferred over supps, go FOOD!

[soundsgood]

About 1.5kg of chicken meat per day supplies half the recommended Beta Alanine dosage. So eating more meat is again preferred over supps, go FOOD!

Only you would eat 3kg of chicken a day for the beta Alanine Android :grin:

[INSPECTOR64]

Just using it prior to training probably ain't going to do much for you except make you tingle a bit as the beta alanine doesn't go to work that quickly. Used every day and particularly after every training session (for at least a month) probably is the best way to use it.

I disagree with this, I take it pre-workout and get noticeable effects during my workout from it. I would never take it post-workout.

iSatori H+Blocker says to take pre-workout, Controlled Lab's Purple Wraath says ditto and has BCAAs in it to sip during the workout as well.

It takes 3 hrs after ingesting Beta Alanine for your body to return to the new supplemented carnosine baseline levels, why not take it 1 hour before a workout and enjoy the blood concentration spike and thus the benefits of greater muscle endurance...don't get that sorry Flex?!

Thats a first.Normally its Flex doin the dissagreeing.

[Flex]

Just using it prior to training probably ain't going to do much for you except make you tingle a bit as the beta alanine doesn't go to work that quickly. Used every day and particularly after every training session (for at least a month) probably is the best way to use it.

I disagree with this, I take it pre-workout and get noticeable effects during my workout from it. I would never take it post-workout.

iSatori H+Blocker says to take pre-workout, Controlled Lab's Purple Wraath says ditto and has BCAAs in it to sip during the workout as well.

It takes 3 hrs after ingesting Beta Alanine for your body to return to the new supplemented carnosine baseline levels, why not take it 1 hour before a workout and enjoy the blood concentration spike and thus the benefits of greater muscle endurance...don't get that sorry Flex?

Maybe though just pure Beta-Alanine with nothing else is what you are meaning? Supplement companies put in other ingredients like Citrulline malate and Arginine, Caffeine etc which may dictate that is to be taken pre-workout.

If it doesn't work that quickly and ingestion time doesn't matter then pre or post shouldn't matter either. Kind of like taking Creatine pre-workout. It's supposed to be a post-workout supp that restores your levels for the NEXT workout, but what does taking it 2 hrs prior really do? Nothing bad it's just 2 hrs earlier and happens to be an hour before a workout. If it isn't going to be ready for use no biggie it'll still be there for tomorrow's workout just as if you'd taken it 2 hrs later (post workout).

About 1.5kg of chicken meat per day supplies half the recommended Beta Alanine dosage. So eating more meat is again preferred over supps, go FOOD!

You're more than likely correct about getting some benefit using it pretraining, however if you're spiking insulin post workout then it makes sense to take your supps like creatine and beta alanine etc at that time due to the enhanced nutrient transport and absorption rates. I'm not saying beta alanine might not work for you pre training, what I'm trying to say is that it is going to take at least 4 weeks of consistent, daily use before your carnosine levels will be a at a decent enough level for it to make a significant difference to your acid levels. If you are only using it pre training then you aren't going to get the full benefit - you might get an elevation during training to benefit some of that training session but there won't be a long term increase. You need to use it every day and at least twice a day would be best, and plan/budget on using it for at least a 12 week cycle. If you are only using it 3 or 4 days a week pretraining, and only use it for a few weeks then you're wasting your money.

I'm not so sure about eating 1.5kg of chicken every day to try and meet my daily allowance of beta alanine but if that floats your boat then go for it.

[selfishself]

The ultimate recovery supplement is and will always be Beta-Alanine. I am a three year fitness model and have been using Beta-Alanine/ Creatine for almost 4 years.

watch some videos about Beta-Alanine Here

http://www.myonlinesupplements.com/Vide ... lanine.php

Enjoy the Gains.

[Small]

I am a three year fitness model

in nz?