Stacker Protein Water

[hrdcor]

Stacker2 have just released a new protein water and its da bomb, 20grms of protein per bottle from Ion Exchange, only 80cals,0carbs,0 sugar, and the tastes are fantastic, Sour Apple, Pink Lemonade,Grape, I have been drinking one whilst I train as I train for over a hour so it keeps me from going catabolic, and at only 80cals it does not hinder energy levels via digestion, these are cool drinks and only $2-95 for a 575ml drink, awesome!!

[sponge]

uh wtf

You realise that you going catabolic during a workout has to do with that little anabolic shuttle we like to call insulin?

And then surely you realise that to kick start that process you require carbohydrates (preferably high GI such as dextrose/maltodextrin)?

So how on earth is having an expensive little 20gram protein drink going to help you at all? The protein isn't going to DO anything without an energy source...

Sounds like you're another supplement industry victim.

[deegee]

"Sounds like you're another supplement industry victim."

Sounds like me-but I cant wait for the resonse

[Flex]

Not a "supplement industry victim" - just the distributor of the product trying to drum up interest....

[hrdcor]

During exercise muscle protein is used as a fuel source , which is one of the reasons why you are sore after a workout!! in fact most times during your workout the pain and discomfort you feel(fatigue)is in part due to hyperglycemia and muscle breakdown.

By ingesting a small amount of protein during this exercise period the protein is used as a preferential energy source during exercise through a process called Glyconeogenesis.

The liver converts amino acids from the protein to blood sugar which acts like a timed release blood sugar stabiliser!, thus detering hyperglycemia and reduces breakdown of muscle proteins.Also the increased amino acid profile in the blood reduces muscle fatigue and aids in the recovery of the sustained muscle protein breakdown !!!

[Pseudonym]

The liver converts amino acids from the protein to blood sugar which acts like a timed release blood sugar stabiliser!

Can you not achieve the same result by sipping a carb drink throughout the workout?

[sponge]

During exercise muscle protein is used as a fuel source , which is one of the reasons why you are sore after a workout!! in fact most times during your workout the pain and discomfort you feel(fatigue)is in part due to hyperglycemia and muscle breakdown.

By ingesting a small amount of protein during this exercise period the protein is used as a preferential energy source during exercise through a process called Glyconeogenesis.

The liver converts amino acids from the protein to blood sugar which acts like a timed release blood sugar stabiliser!, thus detering hyperglycemia and reduces breakdown of muscle proteins.Also the increased amino acid profile in the blood reduces muscle fatigue and aids in the recovery of the sustained muscle protein breakdown !!!

the only way muscle energy could be used as a fuel source is if you were dumb enough not to consume carbohydrates especially before your workout.

[hrdcor]

what about the individuals whom train on a empty stomach,or the individuals whom have a restricted carb intake due to preset goals or individuals whom train for over a hour or more or individuals whom eat a good hour prior to training,or individuals whom through circumstance didnt eat prior to training, all of whom are concerned with the loss of muscle and whos priority is muscle preservation and fat loss, are these people DUMB or should they all follow guide lines set by SPONGE, or is it just that sponges knowledge in the field on how the human body works and nutrition is very limited and is purely based on his own needs !!

[ExpensiveUrine]

Insulin is still secreted if you eat protein, fat or carbohydrate. But carbohydrate (glucose) causes more rapid increase in insulin.

what about the individuals whom train on a empty stomach

I think depends somewhat on the overall calorie intake. If you're bulking, it's expected that you're consuming enough pro/cho/fat which in turn shifts you towards positive nitrogen balance. Gluconeogenesis tends to be lower during overfeeding, even during exercise. In contrast, if you're in a caloric deficit, gluconeogenesis will become more dominant due to glucagon/adrenal hormones, ect. (which will shift you towards negative nitrogen balance, but this of course is dependant on your protein intake during deficit) but that can be corrected by tweaking your pre/during/post workout Pro/Cho intake.

the individuals whom have a restricted carb intake due to preset goals

It'd make sense for those individuals to structure their remaining CHO around their workout anyhow during a diet for supercompensation of glycogen. Likewise, they'd be insulin-sensitive anyhow (depending on the severity of CHO deficit) which will cause greater insulin increase if CHO is consumed during exercise.

individuals whom eat a good hour prior to training

Not sure what you wanted to say here.

individuals whom through circumstance didnt eat prior to training

Depends on the overall calorie intake among other things.

I think it's fair to say that the protein drink is probably fine on rare occasions but I wouldn't make it a staple of my dietary plan. A simple CHO/PRO drink can do the same, for cheaper price (long term).