Fatigue, Heart Problems and lack of oxygen

[agent86]

Am not on Beta Blockers. Yes I do wake up with heart thumping and gasp for air. Was really bad when was under stress and would get up and watch TV for awhile and just try and relax. However haven't had heart stuck on 180 beats since that episode. Sometimes I get changed into clothes in case I have to make a quick to hospital. Once sat in my car outside A&E for an hour at 5am until it settled down. If the heart goes into fibrillation it needs to be shocked into regular rythm and it has been suggested a cold shower will do this.I have only had one episode of the heart being stuck in fibrillation but just before the Cardiac people were going to use the defibrillator my heartbeat suddenly went back to normal.

No history of heart problems in the family that I know of.

[auck_builder]

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[orange]

Did you check out the handbook on the ministry of health website?

http://www.moh.govt.nz/moh.nsf/0/F41CC3 ... FFF16?Open

[auck_builder]

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[Jasthace]

Schizandra is a Chinese herb of interest in promoting cardiovascular protection and efficiency.

[2guns]

u guys are all fucked! too much oil in yr blood

[boostinggtir]

^^^ I'm sure this dude posts up drunk, then deletes them when he's sober.

[Pumpupthejam]

Did you check out the handbook on the ministry of health website?

http://www.moh.govt.nz/moh.nsf/0/F41CC3 ... FFF16?Open

No Ive never seen it but will have a look, cheers!

[Pumpupthejam]

Am not on Beta Blockers. Yes I do wake up with heart thumping and gasp for air. Was really bad when was under stress and would get up and watch TV for awhile and just try and relax. However haven't had heart stuck on 180 beats since that episode. Sometimes I get changed into clothes in case I have to make a quick to hospital. Once sat in my car outside A&E for an hour at 5am until it settled down. If the heart goes into fibrillation it needs to be shocked into regular rythm and it has been suggested a cold shower will do this.I have only had one episode of the heart being stuck in fibrillation but just before the Cardiac people were going to use the defibrillator my heartbeat suddenly went back to normal.

No history of heart problems in the family that I know of.

Have you tried an anti-anxiety pill? I tried Lorazapam (check spelling) and it really helped with those attacks i was having at night. I took one before bed. I dont need them now and havnt for a while.

Hey, I'll try that cold shower thing next time my heart wants to be a twat. Never thought of that.

[DanielMDau]

Hey Man, I feel your pain. I used to train heavyand compete as a powerlifter until problems with my heart changed my life. Here are some things I found which may/may not help you. Sounds like you are taking control of the situation, good for you, but medicine changes fast so don't run away from it just keep forcing the issues and doing your own research.

An old school technique called 10 sets of 1 works for me on some large exercises(deadlift, bench press, overhead press,etc.) Warm up to about 55% of your max. Then do a single rep, step back take a breath then repeat. You can do any number of sets/reps (5 sets of 3). Playwith it just be careful this exercise can driveup blood pressure towardsthen end. Thereis no shame in not hurting yourself, if it don't feel good don't continue or lighten the weight.

You can try using a lighter weight to start the exercise and finish with a heavier one. I call this technique "Drop Ups". Do some dumbell curls with a light weight set them down take 3-4 deep breaths then hit a heavey set of 3-4 reps.

You see the normal training standards wont work with you so you have to go outside the box and find new solutions. The human body will respond you just have to findthe right way to encourage it. In the US wehad a basketball player name Pistol Pete Marevich read whathe accomplished with incredible heart problems. His biggest asset was he didn't know he was sick so he just kept working!

I don't think the supplimentsare going to do much for you. Doing cardio work withyour work out will probably be a big help. I beleive the body will not put on muscle the heart can't maintain.

I got a million other exercises for any body part so feel free to message me back.

Good Luck! Don't ever feel sorry for yourself!

Power Dan

[2guns]

^^^ I'm sure this dude posts up drunk, then deletes them when he's sober.

Negative

[Pumpupthejam]

Hey Man, I feel your pain. I used to train heavyand compete as a powerlifter until problems with my heart changed my life. Here are some things I found which may/may not help you. Sounds like you are taking control of the situation, good for you, but medicine changes fast so don't run away from it just keep forcing the issues and doing your own research.

An old school technique called 10 sets of 1 works for me on some large exercises(deadlift, bench press, overhead press,etc.) Warm up to about 55% of your max. Then do a single rep, step back take a breath then repeat. You can do any number of sets/reps (5 sets of 3). Playwith it just be careful this exercise can driveup blood pressure towardsthen end. Thereis no shame in not hurting yourself, if it don't feel good don't continue or lighten the weight.

You can try using a lighter weight to start the exercise and finish with a heavier one. I call this technique "Drop Ups". Do some dumbell curls with a light weight set them down take 3-4 deep breaths then hit a heavey set of 3-4 reps.

You see the normal training standards wont work with you so you have to go outside the box and find new solutions. The human body will respond you just have to findthe right way to encourage it. In the US wehad a basketball player name Pistol Pete Marevich read whathe accomplished with incredible heart problems. His biggest asset was he didn't know he was sick so he just kept working!

I don't think the supplimentsare going to do much for you. Doing cardio work withyour work out will probably be a big help. I beleive the body will not put on muscle the heart can't maintain.

I got a million other exercises for any body part so feel free to message me back.

Good Luck! Don't ever feel sorry for yourself!

Power Dan

Hey man thanks. I've been to the gym today and I just push myself each time.

I do that light weights then heavy weights with flies then curls. I do the flies with 19kg weights, then the curls with 15kg, and repeat for 3 sets.

I need to practice on my chin ups, I suck big time at them now, I use to rule!!! Haha.

Are you from the US?

[clarian.dix]

I guess about that king of problems in the body, the Heart Problem is one of the most important to consider in my body... my sister got a heart problem and shes taking a medicine now every day... how those heart problems get rid??

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Bariatric Surgery

[chopper]

I've got a reasonable idea how you must feel Pumpupthejam. I copped a bout of viral-myocarditis 5 years ago and spent more time in hospital than I would have liked. I lost count how many "inconclusive" ECGs and blood tests they did. Eventually the diagnosis came back and the specialist said to be more careful and rest when I was feeling sick. That was it!! They signed me out and said not to go back to work for a couple of weeks, but not a lot else. What they didn't tell me was how it was going to effect my training and mental state.

I hardly trained for about 6 months because I would have a panic attack every time my pulse or blood pressure went up or when my heart rythym fluctuated. I couldn't walk to the other end of the house without needing a lie-down and I only managed half days at work for a while.

When I finally got back into the gym, I had to be very careful not to push too hard. The only way I got my energy levels back was to do low-volume, low-intensity weights about 2 times per week and incorporate 2-3 sessions of light cardio exercise. Once I got too tired or felt my heart doing weird things, I had to stop. It took about 4 months of very slowly increasing the weights and cardio intensity until I was confident enough to train without breaking into a cold sweat and feeling like I was having another heart attack. At this point I found that my fitness had improved and I decided to take up road cycling. I was pretty cr@p at it to begin with. However for about two years, I was putting in around 150km a week and competing in races around Wellington and the Wairarapa. This helped give me the confidence to begin lifting heavier again.

There was still a long period of 2-3 days weights with 2 days of riding before I could shift to 4-5 days of lifting and only 1-2 hours of light cardio a week. It wasn't until mid 2007 that I was confident enough to focus solely on gaining size.

I agree with what Flex has written and I had to do the same things to get my body where I wanted it (especially sleep - if I got too tired, my heart rate went all over the place). The only other peice of advice I can offer is to be careful and to be patient with yourself. Please seek other professional opinions before taking any of my advice though, just to be sure. Suffice it to say, I was very frustrated for some years and all I could do was tell myself that I was doing the right thing by taking it slow and steady. Eventually it paid off though. I competed in a couple of bodybuilding shows last year with great success. I went from 82kg dripping wet, to a pretty lean 92kg. I don't regret taking the time to do all that I did in the last 5 years.

Sorry to blabber on, I hope this is useful to you. Good luck my friend

[lazyeye]

fish oil helps with heart arrythmymias

5 in morning 5 at night

1: J Cardiopulm Rehabil Prev. 2008 Mar-Apr;28(2):92-8. Links

The role of fish oil in arrhythmia prevention.Anand RG, Alkadri M, Lavie CJ, Milani RV.

Department of Cardiology, Ochsner Medical Center, New Orleans, LA 70121, USA.

Numerous epidemiological studies, case-control series, and randomized trials have demonstrated the ability of fish oil to reduce major cardiovascular events, particularly sudden cardiac death and all-cause mortality. We discuss the potential benefits of fish oil therapy to improve overall autonomic tone and potentially reduce the risk of major ventricular and atrial arrhythmias. Specifically, this review focuses on how fish oil therapy has performed in 3 primary prevention trials in patients with implantable cardioverter defibrillators, reviews the effects that fish oil has on the autonomic nervous system, focuses on the use of fish oil as a novel therapy for atrial fibrillation, and revisits other beneficial properties of fish oil (ie, ability to lower serum triglycerides, anti-inflammatory effects, and possible improvements in arterial pressure/diastolic function). We also discuss the safety profile of fish oil, including effects on bleeding time and bleeding complications as well as provide commentary regarding fish oil supplementation in light of increasing contaminants contained in fish. In summary, any patient with documented coronary heart disease and those with risk factors for sudden cardiac death, such as left ventricular dysfunction, left ventricular hypertrophy, prior myocardial infarction, or high-grade ventricular dysrhythmias, should consider fish oil supplementation. The American Heart Association recommends four 3-ounce servings of oily fish weekly. For those who cannot eat fish or do not have access to fish, as well as those who would prefer not to eat fish regularly, capsules of fish oil are readily available in various concentrations. At the present time, we recommend doses of eicosapentanoic acid and docosahexanoic acid in the combined range of 800 to 1000 mg/day for primary and secondary prevention of cardiovascular disease.

[teamfatboy]

Nice post, chopper!

[Goddess78]

Hey bud

just thought i'd ask if your doc has done a TEE - trans esphogeal echo.

A good friend of mine has what's called Wolf Parkinson's white - a condition where the SA node in the heart sends a second electrical pulse when it's not supposed to and cause the heart to beat faster or off beat from normal.

He was bounced from the millitary for it - well that and the fact that he had Aortic Regurgitaion as well didnt' help.

But if you are having LOTS of issuse with your MD - best bet - GET A NEW ONE - he could just be an ASS and not taking it seriously due to your age.

That happens more often than people would like to hear.

I have a few friends in Cadio if you need a question or two answered - but as for what you can take to pump up your O2 levels and or engery ......

Not much if anything - Herbally - the only thing i would PASS BY YOUR NATURAL MD OR MEDICAL MD - is Ginko Biloba - but ANY HERBS YOU TAKE CAN HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON PHARMACUTICALS OR OTHER HERBS YOU ARE TAKING - i say this because i've had patients taking Ginsieng and get addmitted for increased BP and Heart rate.

SO PLEASE BE CAREFUL AND DO NOT TAKE ANYTHING WITH OUT MEDCIAL ADVICE

lol sorry it's the nurse in me that's a bit hmmmm repetative :grin:

Hope you feel better soon

[4mik]

You should go see a doctor & Naturophate!

Best natural supplement i know for the heart that may help you (but before trying any of the stuff i will list here checkout with a health pro you can trust)

CoQ10, Hawthorn berry (form A.Vogel) are very good quality, Spirulina (for the B12 very important for the heart), Astragalus roots (for the heart and energy for workout) , A lot of Garlic every day for the heart again, Wheat germ oil or Octacosanol for better oxygenation so more energy! REDSTAR Yeast also give me a lot of energy when iam very tired (All the B Vitamin & Mineral) & Ginger Roots very cheap mabe 50cent and good for the heart & better circulation..

So, you can search more info on all dose herbs on the web or with a specialist...

Good luck! :wink:

[Pumpupthejam]

Hey guys sorry, I havnt been on here for a while. Thanks very much for the feedback.

I had an appointment at Christchurch hospital with the heart doctor last month and he assured me theres nothing serious with my heart.....its just electrical.

Basically I just have to live with it. Oh well.

What I want to do now is find ways to improve my breathing while lifting weights ans just improving my health each day.

[Pumpupthejam]

I've got a reasonable idea how you must feel Pumpupthejam. I copped a bout of viral-myocarditis 5 years ago and spent more time in hospital than I would have liked. I lost count how many "inconclusive" ECGs and blood tests they did. Eventually the diagnosis came back and the specialist said to be more careful and rest when I was feeling sick. That was it!! They signed me out and said not to go back to work for a couple of weeks, but not a lot else. What they didn't tell me was how it was going to effect my training and mental state.

I hardly trained for about 6 months because I would have a panic attack every time my pulse or blood pressure went up or when my heart rythym fluctuated. I couldn't walk to the other end of the house without needing a lie-down and I only managed half days at work for a while.

When I finally got back into the gym, I had to be very careful not to push too hard. The only way I got my energy levels back was to do low-volume, low-intensity weights about 2 times per week and incorporate 2-3 sessions of light cardio exercise. Once I got too tired or felt my heart doing weird things, I had to stop. It took about 4 months of very slowly increasing the weights and cardio intensity until I was confident enough to train without breaking into a cold sweat and feeling like I was having another heart attack. At this point I found that my fitness had improved and I decided to take up road cycling. I was pretty cr@p at it to begin with. However for about two years, I was putting in around 150km a week and competing in races around Wellington and the Wairarapa. This helped give me the confidence to begin lifting heavier again.

There was still a long period of 2-3 days weights with 2 days of riding before I could shift to 4-5 days of lifting and only 1-2 hours of light cardio a week. It wasn't until mid 2007 that I was confident enough to focus solely on gaining size.

I agree with what Flex has written and I had to do the same things to get my body where I wanted it (especially sleep - if I got too tired, my heart rate went all over the place). The only other peice of advice I can offer is to be careful and to be patient with yourself. Please seek other professional opinions before taking any of my advice though, just to be sure. Suffice it to say, I was very frustrated for some years and all I could do was tell myself that I was doing the right thing by taking it slow and steady. Eventually it paid off though. I competed in a couple of bodybuilding shows last year with great success. I went from 82kg dripping wet, to a pretty lean 92kg. I don't regret taking the time to do all that I did in the last 5 years.

Sorry to blabber on, I hope this is useful to you. Good luck my friend

Thanks dude. Yeh from what I've been told by the doc its just a case of living with it....not much else I can do. But basically, since I started back at the gym my heart has got much better.

[Pumpupthejam]

Hey bud

just thought i'd ask if your doc has done a TEE - trans esphogeal echo.

A good friend of mine has what's called Wolf Parkinson's white - a condition where the SA node in the heart sends a second electrical pulse when it's not supposed to and cause the heart to beat faster or off beat from normal.

He was bounced from the millitary for it - well that and the fact that he had Aortic Regurgitaion as well didnt' help.

But if you are having LOTS of issuse with your MD - best bet - GET A NEW ONE - he could just be an ASS and not taking it seriously due to your age.

That happens more often than people would like to hear.

I have a few friends in Cadio if you need a question or two answered - but as for what you can take to pump up your O2 levels and or engery ......

Not much if anything - Herbally - the only thing i would PASS BY YOUR NATURAL MD OR MEDICAL MD - is Ginko Biloba - but ANY HERBS YOU TAKE CAN HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON PHARMACUTICALS OR OTHER HERBS YOU ARE TAKING - i say this because i've had patients taking Ginsieng and get addmitted for increased BP and Heart rate.

SO PLEASE BE CAREFUL AND DO NOT TAKE ANYTHING WITH OUT MEDCIAL ADVICE

lol sorry it's the nurse in me that's a bit hmmmm repetative :grin:

Hope you feel better soon

Hey man yeh I have, i've had every test known to man. Nothing seriously wrong, just electrical disturbances........its a pain in the arse at times but just gotta live with it. Yeh thanks I'll look into those supplements.