Best Mass Gaining Stack

[soundsgood]

Simple question. What supplements stack would you recommend for someone to make mass gains in a bulk cycle. Diet is pretty clean, lots of chop chop etc, can afford to put on a bit of fat. Looking to go from 95kg - 105kg+ over the next 6 months.

There are so many 'mass gainers' to choose from, It can be overwhelming. Currently use Dymatize Whey pp, creatine power caps, L-Glutamine and bcaa's. Was thinking about going back on Animal Pak cos had good results last bulk but was looking at stuff like A-bomb and Horsepower as well.

That Mutant mass makes some pretty bold claims as well.... :pfft:

Any suggestions appreciated!!!

[Small]

dont u think whey is just a better option all round than mass gainer/even though u can afford to put on fat, eating whole food mite be more productive-most M.G have a whole heep of sugar etc, atleast with more kumara/potatoes/oats youll get the nutrients and feel fuller~!

and wth haha "he who dies biggest wins??" wins what?

a big coffin?

[Android]

Good advice Small.

I've never paid for a Mass Gainer, rice, kumara or pasta is way cheaper. Protein is where you want every hard-earned dollar to go. I would view your lean-muscle growth limiting factor as protein and spend more on meat, then protein powder.

If it's just weight-gain that you want then spend up on rice and pasta instead of protein but am sure you want muscle gain...so meat and protein.

You're right to have BCAAs in there but protein powder and meat have those in abundance and if you increase those foods you'll increase your BCAA intake beyond the recommended daily dose on the bottle of BCAAs.

I know I shouldn't recommend not taking BCAAs as they are the building blocks of muscle growth but ... in the dose that most people take it's really harmless and wasteful. I would save them for when you are cutting and trying to preserve muscle instead. But if you have an unlimited budget take them, whatever. Basically if you increase your meat intake by 500gms of Beef a day you'll be taking more than any daily dose of BCAAs will provide as well as more Glutamine etc.

If you are a super-super hardgainer maybe, then maybe a weight-gainer is the way to go to get those extra calories into you.

Your weight gain goal is huge, unattainable imho unless you have been that weight before and are low b/f and ready to rebound your weight back up again?

I'd set a 5kg goal aim for that and try and maintain it for a month or two before climbing another 5kg. What happens if you gain 5kg quickly and catch a cold you'll lose it asap. But maintain it for a bit and the gain will stay with you for longer. That's what I have found as I climb in weight anyway.

If you take 5kg increment goals and you eat like a person 10kg heavier than you are now you will reach that 5kg goal. I certainly can't do that if my goal is 10kg higher and I try to eat like a person 15kg heavier...my stomach, lifestyle, and workouts are not prepared for it.

Really the overeating of someone heavier than my goal weight is a mental thing I use and it makes sense to me. To reach a weight heavier than you are now you have to overeat for someone that weight, therefore eat like someone 10kg heavier to add 5kg.

Then maintain that new weight for a month or two will help you adjust to the new eating habits of a larger person too (very important! overlooked imho). Then you are ready to overeat again for the next 5kg gain.

So, food glorious food!

Learn to love it more, enjoy shopping for it, selecting the raw food at the supermarket, the meats, the kumaras and mushrooms etc. Make it a huge part of your life and you'll reach that huge goal you've just posted, maybe not in the time frame you're hoping for but I hope you do :-)

[Small]

Good advice Small.

i learn from the best :wink: :pfft:

[Android]

I didn't help much with a Stack did I sorry mate, will let others help you there and post my view tomorrow, need to eat and sleep now :twisted:

[Android]

Good advice Small.

i learn from the best :wink: :pfft:

[soundsgood]

Im not sure the 10kg is unattainable, I was almost that heavy only 12 weeks ago before I started cutting (103.5), but yeah cutting it into two achievable chunks might be the better Idea.

Anyway you'd never believe you own a supplement store Android, maybe a fruit and vege stall :pfft:

[Android]

Im not sure the 10kg is unattainable, I was almost that heavy only 12 weeks ago before I started cutting (103.5), but yeah cutting it into two achievable chunks might be the better Idea.

Anyway you'd never believe you own a supplement store Android, maybe a fruit and vege stall :pfft:

Haha yeah that's true, carrots going cheap cheap

Ahhh if you've been that weight before you'll likely do it then no worries am sure :-)

I'm 99kg (heaviest was 101kg about 6 months ago) and I'm looking for a 5kg gain in the next 3 months. Will keep an eye on your Journal and look forward to following your progress!

[boostinggtir]

Good advice Small.

I've never paid for a Mass Gainer, rice, kumara or pasta is way cheaper. Protein is where you want every hard-earned dollar to go. I would view your lean-muscle growth limiting factor as protein and spend more on meat, then protein powder.

If it's just weight-gain that you want then spend up on rice and pasta instead of protein but am sure you want muscle gain...so meat and protein.

You're right to have BCAAs in there but protein powder and meat have those in abundance and if you increase those foods you'll increase your BCAA intake beyond the recommended daily dose on the bottle of BCAAs.

I know I shouldn't recommend not taking BCAAs as they are the building blocks of muscle growth but ... in the dose that most people take it's really harmless and wasteful. I would save them for when you are cutting and trying to preserve muscle instead. But if you have an unlimited budget take them, whatever. Basically if you increase your meat intake by 500gms of Beef a day you'll be taking more than any daily dose of BCAAs will provide as well as more Glutamine etc.

Great piece of info, So BCAA an Glutamine are only really beneficial when cutting.

[Android]

Noooo, please don't think I meant that!

BCAAs are important, so is Glutamine (less so since your body can make Glutamine with BCAAs :-) cool huh!)

They ARE important, but my point was FOOD, eat more meat. So many people train hard and don't get the lean muscle gains they deserve simply because they don't eat enough meat / protein and not because they didn't swallow enough BCAAs.

More meat = more BCAAs was my point :nod:

[Gym rat]

I also don's use mass stack I just stick pasta and other foods as well plus it is a heck of a lot more cheaper.

[boostinggtir]

But wouldn't it be safe to say that when bulking heavy you'd have an abundance of glutamine, from hole foods, not needing supplement glutamine?

[Android]

Might have been easier if I'd just said buy whatever makes you feel happy :-)

I myself 'invest' in food first, then that investment goes up (into more or different food when I bulk-up or cut or maintain). Then I rely on feedback from my body as to whether I need to supplement or not.

If I feel tired, or overly sore DOMS persist I would say that either I need to back-off training, rest days more often, eat more meat, or supplement. What I decide to do depends on whether I think I train hard enough already, whether I think I am eating enough already, whether I think I rest enough, or whether I am already supplementing.

I think we all do the same with our protein shake intake, if we can't get to a meat meal in a few hours we down a shake. Same principle really, supplement when you don't have food available or food isn't enough.

Example:

Right now I am not taking any additional BCAAs or Glutamine since last week. I've stopped taking XTend for a week as my workouts aren't as taxing as they were a few weeks ago. DOMS might last 2 days and not severe so I don't see the need. Currently taking 1kg of Beef to work each day so happy with the meat intake as well and have droppe dback high intensity training these last few weeks. If I was still doing that high intensity training I would be suffereing and needing to supplement with Glutamine for recovery and BCAAs for repair.

Interestingly I've just ordered a tub of BCAA powder for myself and plan to step up training the day after, the day after, Chrsitmas :-)

Is this helping? Think it's gone off the main thread sorry!

[boostinggtir]

Cheers for that, sorry to intercept the thread. :naughty:

[Android]

Ok my best mass-stack after alot of thought. It's not 'the only one' to take by any means, and I tossed up a lot of variables to get it down to these basic four things.

Creatine Mono + Glutamine taken together are a great combination for strength, recovery, and increased muscle cell volume.

I would take 2 additional things, ZMA and Beta-Alanine.

ZMA is a proven anabolic fomrula to recover your test levels, give a great nights sleep, and increase your strength.

Beta-Alanine will give you the muscle endurance to lift weights for longer and this in turn drives your hunger levels up later on, the flow on from that is: more food ingested.

A limiting factor in gaining mass has to be eating excess food, and hunger is the only thing stopping us from shovelling in food every minute of the day. A hard heavy workout does that for me.

So, my best supplement Stack deliberately takes me back to ... FOOD

[Flamer]

Simple question. What supplements stack would you recommend for someone to make mass gains in a bulk cycle. Diet is pretty clean, lots of chop chop etc, can afford to put on a bit of fat. Looking to go from 95kg - 105kg+ over the next 6 months.

There are so many 'mass gainers' to choose from, It can be overwhelming. Currently use Dymatize Whey pp, creatine power caps, L-Glutamine and bcaa's. Was thinking about going back on Animal Pak cos had good results last bulk but was looking at stuff like A-bomb and Horsepower as well.

That Mutant mass makes some pretty bold claims as well.... :pfft:

Any suggestions appreciated!!!

BIOTEST Carbolin -19 :pfft:

[boostinggtir]

True mass is meant to be very good, however its' not the cheapest. I think a tub lasts you just over a week. I've taken the stuff, though at the time I didn't have a clue what I was doing, ie didn't work out or eat right ect...so nothing would have helped.

As for that Mutant mass stuff, if I quote Grant.

Unfortunately sugars and carbs are not the building blocks for muscle.

Vitamins,minerals and Amino acids are the ones which actually regenarate and create new muscle cells.

So lets compare apples to apples..........

Truemass.

Protein 31%

Glutamine peptides,+AKG

L-leucine, L-isoleucine, and L-valine

And a huge ammount of vitamins and minerals.

Best weight gainner award in the world, 2 years running.

PVL Mutant Mass.

Protein 20%!!!!!!!!

Zero glutamine peptides (according to label)!!!!!!!!

Zero Added Amino acids!!!!!!!!!

And again Zero vitamins and minerals....... oh sorry only got Calcium.!!!!!!!

World winning awards Again Zero!!!!!!!!!!

And the winner is...............lol

Light weight baby.....lol

[aaa]

how much for mutant mass. i know true mass is over a hundred bucks, if you were to use it for a decent length of time you could easily spend over a thousand dollars on it.

[Android]

I think there's some marketing hype to get over with BSN True Mass.

They choose to show the breakdown of the ingredients so they show the amount of every Vitamin and Mineral in it. Other Mass Meals may not choose to list them.

It's kind of like buying a bottle of milk really. You read the label and it says 10gm Protein.

But what if it read:

1gm Glutamine Peptides

500mg L-Valine

150mg L-Leucine

150mg -IsoLeucine

etc

Would look way better right? But it has those in it ... (not sure of quantities just using them as an example).

BSN True Mass label says: A Sustained Release Ultra-Premium Protein & Amino Acid Matrix

Milk has those qualities as well! LOL

Not every ingredient listed is an 'additive' that's for sure!

The list of ingredients is actually at the bottom of the label UNDER the ingredient profile of the mixture.

This is a cool trick, and they put just above the long list of ingredients the words: Amount per Serving, which is totally truthful ... but it's not extra stuff added to the mixture, it's IN the frigg'n mixture.

If you are comparing ingredients as you state then you and your friend Grant have been fooled just because one doesn't list a heap of Vitamins. (I don't sell PVL so pls don't think I am sticking up for any brand here, just trying to inform/educate here).

I don't know a thing about Mutant Mass, haven't even tried it, but if it's made of whey protein and wheat-based carbohydrate it's probably a similar profile regardless of what the marketing dept put on the label, or forgot to put on the label.

BSN True Mass is ok, the sugar carbs are lower than most others.

Oh yeah, and I see the difference in protein content between the two and it's a valid conclusion, but comparing Vitamins and Amino Acid profiles...that's not quite that simple to read the label.

[boostinggtir]

That's an interesting point but don't you think the people who award these products would have some a pretty good insight as to what works an what doesn't.

Also, saying that milk has "A Sustained Release Ultra-Premium Protein & Amino Acid Matrix" is cool, but I'd assume it's referring to been made from whey, egg, casein, milk, protein ect.... an the different absorption rates they offer. So products bragging about that quality is legit. That's why I love my 12hour dymatize. :grin:

[Android]

That's an interesting point but don't you think the people who award these products would have some a pretty good insight as to what works an what doesn't.

Yes you are right they would :-) just pointing out that listing Vitamins in a serving is helpful but u can't compare against a product that doesn't list them.

Also, saying that milk has "A Sustained Release Ultra-Premium Protein & Amino Acid Matrix" is cool, but I'd assume it's referring to been made from whey, egg, casein, milk, protein ect.... an the different absorption rates they offer. So products bragging about that quality is legit. That's why I love my 12hour dymatize. :grin:

"whey, casein, milk, protein" all come from the same cow :-|

From the BSN label:

A Sustained Release Ultra-Premium Protein & Amino Acid Matrix Comprised of (Ultrafiltered Whey Protein Concentrate [Milk] Contains Alpha-Lactalbumin, Microfiltered Whey Protein Isolate [Milk] Contains Whey Isolate Peptide Fractions, Calcium Caseinate [Milk], Micellar Alpha And Beta Caseins And Caseinate [Milk], Milk Protein Isolate [Milk], Hydrolyzed Whey Protein [Milk], Egg Whites [Egg], Glutamine Peptides and Glutamine AKG, L-Leucine, L-Isoleucine, and L-Valine)

...see how many times the word [Milk] appears in that list of protein sources.

I'd bet by the time you get to the end of the list and read Glutamine Peptides and Glutamine AKG etc you're getting into milligram amounts and it is quite legit to add some desirable ingredient at the end in small amounts.

What was the question again :doh: LOL

[Optimass]

It's whey less complicated to just eat a half chicken with a litre of milk.

[soundsgood]

lol @ Optimass

Its a stupid question but Im gonna ask. Should I be drinking milk? I drink about 100ml of ultra trim per day with my 1st shake. I remember arnold saying he never drank milk.

If I should be, what milk is best

[Luigi]

hey arnold, do you drink milk ?

no,

you dont drink milk ?

no, milk is for babies, when you grow up you get to drink beer.

im a hardgainer, a real one, and iv tried plenty of mass gainers, only 1 i ever found to work was ultimate nutritions muscle juice but better than any mass gainer iv had is a test booster and a fuckload of food, g0 hard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Optimass]

hey arnold, do you drink milk ?

no,

you dont drink milk ?

no, milk is for babies, when you grow up you get to drink beer.

:pfft: :nod: .... comes down to personal preference - - I cut trim milk out of shakes to make sure I stay lean .... add it in when putting weight on.... have been known drink a beer now and then too.