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Essential MUST HAVE Natural Supplements

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Certainly the 'Balance - Ultimate recovery formula' seems like one of your best options post workout and id say 1st thing in the morning.

Im interested to see what ANDROID is using as his supp base?

Care to share with us buddy?

Sure thing, for Post-Workouts.

Well post-workout for me used to be a Musashi brick-like protein bar that resembled dried up fruit cake, you wouldn't even begin to eat one if you didn't have water on hand to swallow each mouthful it was/ is that dry.

I would say conservatively I did that for 5 years solid and if there wasn't this bar at the gym I would do some other 30gm protein bar (that's 5 days a week on protein bars).

I didn't have a shaker until 3 years ago so I didn't do post-workout shakes but I knew there was a 'golden hour' (no not a golden-shower 2guns) file.php?avatar=504_1224090729.gif

where you had to have consumed quality protein after a workout.

But now it's different.

I don't go to the gym unless I have a post-workout shake containing 50gms of protein (WPC blend) and 50gms of Glucose. Nothing more than that.

I always go back to work or back home to eat a complete meal with protein and carbs within an hour of a workout.

If (IF) I do Creatine Monohydrate then it would go into my Post-Workout shake. I only do creatine when I am on a chicken diet (like now, I get creatine from BSN Volumaize and iSatori Morph), but not when I am on the Beef. There's about 3.5gms of Creatine in 1 KG of beef already so just by switching to beef I am supplementing with Creatine.

And finally.

If I am cutting then my post-workout is NOT a protein shake, it's BCAAs and Glutamine. Can't get as dry and shredded on shakes but have to take in the essentials you know. And no need for these when you do take a shake as a double-server protein shake has enough BCAAs and Glutamine to sink a small ship so to speak.

Just noticed.

I see there's Beta-Alanine in the Balance recovery drink, I thought the way the body converted it was best suited for pre-workout. Kind of like taking a Nitrous drink after your workout (useless right).

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Certainly the 'Balance - Ultimate recovery formula' seems like one of your best options post workout and id say 1st thing in the morning.

Im interested to see what ANDROID is using as his supp base?

Care to share with us buddy?

Sure thing, for Post-Workouts.

Well post-workout for me used to be a Musashi brick-like protein bar that resembled dried up fruit cake, you wouldn't even begin to eat one if you didn't have water on hand to swallow each mouthful it was/ is that dry.

I would say conservatively I did that for 5 years solid and if there wasn't this bar at the gym I would do some other 30gm protein bar (that's 5 days a week on protein bars).

I didn't have a shaker until 3 years ago so I didn't do post-workout shakes but I knew there was a 'golden hour' (no not a golden-shower 2guns) file.php?avatar=504_1224090729.gif

where you had to have consumed quality protein after a workout.

But now it's different.

I don't go to the gym unless I have a post-workout shake containing 50gms of protein (WPC blend) and 50gms of Glucose. Nothing more than that.

I always go back to work or back home to eat a complete meal with protein and carbs within an hour of a workout.

If (IF) I do Creatine Monohydrate then it would go into my Post-Workout shake. I only do creatine when I am on a chicken diet (like now, I get creatine from BSN Volumaize and iSatori Morph), but not when I am on the Beef. There's about 3.5gms of Creatine in 1 KG of beef already so just by switching to beef I am supplementing with Creatine.

And finally.

If I am cutting then my post-workout is NOT a protein shake, it's BCAAs and Glutamine. Can't get as dry and shredded on shakes but have to take in the essentials you know. And no need for these when you do take a shake as a double-server protein shake has enough BCAAs and Glutamine to sink a small ship so to speak.

Just noticed.

I see there's Beta-Alanine in the Balance recovery drink, I thought the way the body converted it was best suited for pre-workout. Kind of like taking a Nitrous drink after your workout (useless right).

Yeah i agree, strange to have an energy type supp in there for post workout replacement. Who knows what they were thinking.

Your idea on creatine consumption is interesting, however i've read that in order to get enough creatine out of red meat it would take tons just to get enough.. Just a thought.. I will research this a little more :D

Thanks for that bro

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If (IF) I do Creatine Monohydrate then it would go into my Post-Workout shake. I only do creatine when I am on a chicken diet (like now, I get creatine from BSN Volumaize and iSatori Morph), but not when I am on the Beef. There's about 3.5gms of Creatine in 1 KG of beef already so just by switching to beef I am supplementing with Creatine.

How much beef do you eat to get a spike in your base levels? per meal/per day?

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Well post-workout for me used to be a Musashi brick-like protein bar that resembled dried up fruit cake, you wouldn't even begin to eat one if you didn't have water on hand to swallow each mouthful it was/ is that dry.

used to be standard issue at any show .... they were quite good for suppressing hunger and the munchies .... :grin:

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You mean loading up on it?

No I don't I've gone from taking it with chicken then straight to Beef so not sure I have to.

I consider myself off the Creatine when I am taking Beef actually, it's not good to stay on something for too long, too much of anything ... yada yada.

But I think I mentioned this earlier I feel stronger on Beef than I do on Chicken.I don't know exactly why, is it the Creatine? is it the Fat? is it just in my head? :-| MY muscles feel fuller than on chicken but again is it the creatine or the fat?

Who knows, the strength is noticeable I don't know if you remember Animal M-Stak, it's like that (it takes more than a week to kick-in and can go up 10 or more kg on the bench press kind of strength, nothing too 'out there' but noticeable), that's what M-Stak or Methoxyisoflavone feels like for me anyway.

Try it one day, just Beef for 3-4 weeks. I got onto it because I think it was Denis James or someone said they stay on Beef right up to the show to keep full and strong, so I thought wow I'll try that. I used to eat any meat on different days so eating one kind consistently was a first for me. You might not notice a thing, you might get stronger, you might put on fat but I'm a believer in trying to find what works for my body and other people's experiences (as interesting as they are) don't necessarily apply, don't you find that sometimes?

But you have to try what you hear if it sounds reasonable imho.

I'd kick myself if I hadn't tried it, all these years missing out on the strength gains just from switching to beef while bulking up. (I didn't have the balls to try Beef for my cutting prep I'm afraid to say...sometimes I don't practice everything I preach ok :-)).

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Hmmm .....

I seem to grow quicker when eating beef more often but I'm not sure it has anything to do with creatine. You'd need to be taking over 1.5kg in a serve to get enough to spike your natural levels. The impact of doing that to your stomach would be tough. There are enough articles around to suggest your body processes hormone from red meat at good levels but I'm not so sure about that also. I think its more about the fat content being higher - which is why its probably best to stick to chicken during your drop pre show. When you're on the same stack as Dennis then I think you'll have a fighting chance. But experimenting is the only way to find what works.

I stop using nitro+crea supps sometime ago as I was getting more consistant and sustained strength gains/ better recovery off monohydrate.

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I stop using nitro+crea supps sometime ago as I was getting more consistant and sustained strength gains/ better recovery off monohydrate.

Yes I haven't been that impressed with the new Creatines either. Nitric Oxides (L-Arginine etc) I do like.

I think the monohydrate which causes your muscles to hold a bit more water is a good thing which the kre-alkalyns and ethyl esters do not do.

Water is a strong hydraulic and evn though the size increase is water, when taking monohydrate you take it for the ATP and subsequent strength gains to build muscle not for the quick bloated gain anyway, totally agree Optimass.

I really don't know about the Beef and suspect Fat plays a part. I feel stronger when I'm solely taking Beef is what I mean so I don't do Creatine when I am on it as I think 3.5gms a day from Beef is 'supplementing' with Creatine anyway.

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Well post-workout for me used to be a Musashi brick-like protein bar that resembled dried up fruit cake, you wouldn't even begin to eat one if you didn't have water on hand to swallow each mouthful it was/ is that dry

Got to love the muscle slice :nod: out of interest do you know where you can get them from these days at a reasonable price? I use to use them to carb in on (while dehydrating) bloody hard work but a solid product.

I was on a trail for the balance product! During the first tub I only used it post workout and found that coupled with my shake I was recovering allot quicker than normal. On the second tub I mucked around with it pre and post workout and to be honest found the recovery rate to be very similar. The downside to this product is the price, you would have to be loaded to use it on a regular basis.

I personally believe the only essential supps are a good Whey protein (BCAA included), Kre-Alkalyn and a good multi vitamin. All the other supps are really just luxuries. (personal opinion) :)

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Android and others,

IMO you grow more when you consume beef cause Saturated fat.

Beef has more saturated fat than chicken obviously and there are NUMEROUS studies showing saturated fat increases test levels.

I tried this same thing for a while by switching to whole eggs... my recovery was increased and I was growing better ......

Of course with the beef the creatine would add up as well, but I think it is relatively negligble... as you said a whole kg of cooked beef has 3.5gms of creatine.

So just to get 5g of creatine a day you'd be consuming 1.4kg of beef... an awful lot Id say!

Easier to chuck in a tsp worth of creatine into your pwo and get the 5g down that way, wont you agree?

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Android and others,

Easier to chuck in a tsp worth of creatine into your pwo and get the 5g down that way, wont you agree?

Yes it is, but where do you get such a lovely rounded number like 5gms from, supplement companies who know it equals a teaspoon :-)

Not saying I don't agree with your statement but I think 3.5gms for 'free' is pretty decent, it's more than 2/3's of the 'convenient amount' of 5gms.

I cook 1kg of beef for my days eating just like I might cook 1kg of chicken, doesn't include dinner time so I would reach that 1.4kg mark easily as 400gms of beef cooks down to about 300gms, an easy meal for a kid, and thus that wonderfully magic number of 5gms! Would go well with those other magic numbers, 8 and 12 reps ...

just playing with you, and kind of demonstrating how implanted some of peoples ideas are transformed from continuous exposure to media and marketing. I'm betting 90% of people get the 5gm amount from the side of a container of creatine before they got any amount from a study (I don't know of amounts in studies I promise, just using that as an example).

Anyway as the Mitre10 dude might say: "Beef is Good"

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respect!

Has it ever crossed your mind, just wanting to get the perspective of a natural bodybuilder

Yes it's popped into my mind like it's probably crossed other peoples minds as well when they see a bodybuilder that's way bigger than them and you haven't made gains in the last few months. But that just stirs up greater will power and desire to make changes and grow again.

When I was at Auckland Uni I remember a guy on the gear looked freak'n awesome man, cocky too. Then over summer seemed to shrink back to his normal self and size, hadn't changed his eating habits or came off the cycle wrong who knows so when I see that I think it's easier for me to keep my gains.

I guess the body for everyone whether they're doing gear or are natural is always doing the same thing, repairing itself. Seems to be an endless challenge we all share, to gain or maintain muscle.

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:grin:

So on the not so natural side. Was at the inlaws farm for xmas. They do sheep and beef. I know bzp came from dip product and i saw this B12(1000) supplement for sheep which got me to thinking. Was just wondering if anyone had tried or found any cheap alternatives on the farm or in the shed? :pfft:

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:grin:

So on the not so natural side. Was at the inlaws farm for xmas. They do sheep and beef. I know bzp came from dip product and i saw this B12(1000) supplement for sheep which got me to thinking. Was just wondering if anyone had tried or found any cheap alternatives on the farm or in the shed? :pfft:

:naughty:

B12 Ampules... you can buy them in the pharmacy for very little...

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