My cycle

[Luigi]

ok so this is what im planning to do.....

input appreciated

aim is to lean bulk

around 85kgs atm bf% 12-14 at a guess.

following cycle depends on what sort of test i can get my hands on, but going to go with test e or test cyp

week 1 : test 400mg

2: test 400mg

3: test 400mg

4: test 400mg

5: test 400mg

6: test 400mg

7: test 400mg

8: test 400mg

9: test 400mg 40mg winstrol ed

10: test 400mg 40mg winstrol ed

11: 40mg winstrol ed

12: 40mg winstrol ed

13: pct

14: pct

15: pct

16: pct

pct will either be nolvadex or clomid would prefer nolva but dosnt seem to be any around at the moment ?

seem like a good beginner cycle ?

[Pseudonym]

I can't help you with the cycle, but make sure you take some photos for us.

I assume the Winstrol is included at the end just to give you a harder look? What's the idea behind extending it past the test?

[Luigi]

I can't help you with the cycle, but make sure you take some photos for us.

I assume the Winstrol is included at the end just to give you a harder look? What's the idea behind extending it past the test?

yup will do for sure ay will be starting a journal on it

the idea behind running the winstrol for longer is too a) give that harder look and b) helps to keep the gains made during the cycle.

[frogie2001]

from week three to week 12 you should thrown in 500iu's of HCG once a week. otherwise you will have raisin testicles

[2guns]

id do 6 weeks winny, so start at week 7. and assuming u are using a 200mg/ml enanthate or cypionate? then i would do 3ml a week so its 600mg/week instead of 400mg/week

[keats]

I would add tren to the mix, its nice lean-mass providing, non-aromatizing anabolic. :grin:

[2guns]

I would add tren to the mix, its nice lean-mass providing, non-aromatizing anabolic. :grin:

bro its his first cycle.... thats not a good idea

[auck_builder]

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[Luigi]

from week three to week 12 you should thrown in 500iu's of HCG once a week. otherwise you will have raisin testicles

does everyone do this ?

I would add tren to the mix, its nice lean-mass providing, non-aromatizing anabolic. :grin:

bro its his first cycle.... thats not a good idea

why is that ?

dont waste ur first cycle only using 400mg a week up it to atleast 500mg, whats the point only doing 400? over 500 or 600? same effect on your body just better gains imo... yea 6weeks winny would be better 40 - 60mg day

hmm might run 5oo wouldnt go to 600 though dont see the need for it as ill grow heaps on 400. and yea will extend the winny for 6 weeks.

[2guns]

why is that ?

well thers no reason y u cant but i would personally save the tren till id done a few cycles... that seems to be the general consensus anyway

[auck_builder]

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[AgentOrange]

im no expert but i agree i did my first cycle on 400 i made some good gains but all in all i wish i'd done 500 +

[deegee]

Looks good, as most others have said though you want to look at doing 500mgs instead of 400. I believe that as a first you should just do 1 compound and not get into stacking immediatly but others will disagree also never been a fan of winni but plenty of people swear by it.

How lean you bulk will depend on your diet. Try to get Nolva if you can many guys get a bit 'emotional' on clomid, I think Nolva is better anyway.

Be good if you can keep us in the loop how things go. When do you intend to start ? This time of year is always hard to stick to a good diet !

[Luigi]

Looks good, as most others have said though you want to look at doing 500mgs instead of 400. I believe that as a first you should just do 1 compound and not get into stacking immediatly but others will disagree also never been a fan of winni but plenty of people swear by it.

How lean you bulk will depend on your diet. Try to get Nolva if you can many guys get a bit 'emotional' on clomid, I think Nolva is better anyway.

Be good if you can keep us in the loop how things go. When do you intend to start ? This time of year is always hard to stick to a good diet !

yup i think i wil bump to 500 and am going to stick with the winny as i already hav it.

im trying to find nolva but everyone seems to be out of it so yea clomid might be the only option.

and yup i will keep a full journal on it, diet, sites, sides, etc. i intend to start on 1st of december, or whenever i have all the gear ready.

get 3 weeks off over xmas so plan to just train - eat - sleep !

and yup it will be tough to turn down all those yummy fatty foods and beers but ill manage

[auck_builder]

shit your game man doing it over xmas, hope u dont regret it, im starting my next full on cycle next year fresh from eating and drinking a bit to much! :pfft:

[2guns]

is it testosterone enanthate u are using?

wat brand?

[Luigi]

following cycle depends on what sort of test i can get my hands on, but going to go with test e or test cyp

[NZPT]

agree with everyone dont waste your first cycle on 400mg, spend the money get more and run 500mg-600mg/week.

winstrol for longer as 2guns said

just stick with those compounds for now

as for lean bulk those compounds will work well just make sure your diets spot on to make the most of your first cycle.

post it up if you want use to have a look too

[Varven]

I always thought test 2 takes a good 4 - 5 weeks to start. So prime the first 4 weeks with dbol ?

[Optimass]

I always thought test 2 takes a good 4 - 5 weeks to start. So prime the first 4 weeks with dbol ?

Not if its your first cycle - you'd get a quick uptake off sitting in the same chair as Dorian Yates in your first term cycle.

[frocko]

Looks good mate.

Agree with the 500mg a week test, but I wouldn't go higher than that until cycle 4/5, just add in other compounds untill then.

Save tren for a special day mate, it is an awesome drug.

Good idea on the winnie up until pct.

Not sure on the lean bulk, at 12/14% body fat you could afford to gain some and still look good, I know its summer time but this could cause you not to eat enough and not gain as much as you should.

If you can get hcg then run it from week 5 at 500iu every 3 days up until the start of pct.

[Optimass]

Looks good mate.

Agree with the 500mg a week test, but I wouldn't go higher than that until cycle 4/5, just add in other compounds untill then.

Save tren for a special day mate, it is an awesome drug.

Good idea on the winnie up until pct.

Not sure on the lean bulk, at 12/14% body fat you could afford to gain some and still look good, I know its summer time but this could cause you not to eat enough and not gain as much as you should.

If you can get hcg then run it from week 5 at 500iu every 3 days up until the start of pct.

good advice

[Bluto]

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[nate225]

Your mad. "around 85kgs atm bf% 12-14 at a guess." and 5 ft 11, and 21yrs old, f*ck man, and your already thinking of using drugs to grow????????????????????????????????????

Train, Eat and Rest properly and you will grow without drugs. So what when u reach 87kg you gonna double your dosage to reach 90kg?

Amen to that!

I don't usually comment on sh*t like this but the big man Bluto seems to be the only one whose head isn't clouded by test vision!

In my 15 years of training (damn I'm getting old!) I have seen many newbies jump onto cycles and blow up like a balloon (a water balloon!) and drop almost all their gains when coming off, the majority of these guys are never seen again. Others have put in the hard mahi and made as many gains as they could naturally and by using supplements (which are a sh*tload better nowdays than they were when I was at school). In this time they also learn about training and what works for them - this is a necessity than no amount of gear can compensate for.

A group of guys I used to train with at Varsity reached a point that they decided to move to AAS to take them past their genetic limitations (whether all had reached this point I'll never know). They were pretty open about it and most did little more than 300mg at the peak of their first cycle, which for many was "a susty a week". The group typically gained 10-12kg over 8-12 weeks. More importantly they kept a large % of this months after their first cycles (most reckon around 8 kilos).

Those that know me will know I am not an advocate for AAS use, although I am also not heavily opposed to it (I try to be objective and avoid scaremongering!). I guess I say each to their own, but I also believe people need to weigh up the pros & cons (remember you don't get anything for free!) and take objective and informed advice.

I would suggest Luigi talks to some people who have been around for a while in the game (both "On" & "Off") so he can make a call for himself. I can't imagine too many people with a good knowledge of the game suggesting he go over 500mg on his first cycle. As Bluto says, where does that leave a 90 kilo guy on his second cycle....... maybe a gram of test, half a bottle of nandrolone & some insulin to break 95kg!!!!!!!

Nate

[2guns]

As Bluto says, where does that leave a 90 kilo guy on his second cycle....... maybe a gram of test, half a bottle of nandrolone & some insulin to break 95kg!!!!!!!

thats stupid exageration mate.

get real.