Vegan Training

[goinhard]

OP was wanting to limit soy i believe, due to its estrogenic properties.

Ease off agentorange.

[runveerun]

Oh I see I didn't pick that up thanks!

[Gym rat]

I also love my steak as well plus all those yummy meats like chicken,beef,steak,lamb stop being such wimp Mr Vegan and get some nice good meat in to you.

[2guns]

Ease off gymrat

[mr natural]

i don't really get the logic in veganisim or vegeterian either???

mostly you won't eat animal products because its cruel in your opinion ect....

If your going to be that sensitive and thoughtful then my question to you is,what about the poor plants and vegie's feelings before you boil em to death and eat there dead carcases?! you monsters!

[Gym rat]

I also don't get the logic between veganisim or vegeterian both of those have got me stumped at times and leaves me thinking what the.

[mr natural]

i'm with you on this one gym rat, meat-a-terisum all the way.i'm am plant and vegie sensitive, no more plants or vegies will have to fear my chompers! :pfft:

[solardrive77]

A detailed training journal may be the way forward and some feedback on the results would be welcome. I'm in the process of sourcing a varied Vegan diet coupled with the correct supplementation to acheive the correct protein levels that I'm after. As long as the diet is full of fruit, vegetables, whole grains and complete protein sources I will be sweet.

A Vegan is someone who ommits all animal products from their diet and lifestyle. This does include all meat and dairy. A Vegan essentailly endevours not to consume any animal products and tries to live a more compassionate lifestyle.

There are loads of people out there calling themselves Vegetarian but still eat fish, or just don't eat red meat. Stange........

I'm not to judge, it's a personal choice.

[Mike Zero]

To answer Varvan's questions, I won't bore you with the reasons for the Vegan route, just to say it is an ethical decision.

How false is your "ethical decision" if you're waiting until after christmas?

[Luigi]

if your gonna be a vegan then give up bodybuilding, simple as that.

[Pseudonym]

Oh come on, guys. Yes, a vegan diet will make it harder to put on size. That goes without saying. But is a vegan (especially one who's trying to get lots of protein) much worse off than a bodybuilder who doesn't eat enough? And we all know plenty of those - right now I'd include myself in that category! :oops:

Diet is an incredibly important part of bodybuilding, sure. But there are other factors too - workout routine, training technique, genetics, committment, etc. Get those right, and you'll still make some progress.

That said, I believe cows like being milked (it relieves the pressure, I think) so I have no ethical issues about dairy.

[luv.me.oats]

I'd be steering away from soy - too much oestrogen = weight gain, not in a good way, I'd opt for rice protein powder instead (Red 8)

[luv.me.oats]

kidney beans are good too, but yeah I agree with the other guys, it's going to be a task and half - to get the protein in.

Actually there's a thai boxer named Richie 'hardcore' steward who is vego, awesome fighter too, i know it's totally different training but perhaps you should bounce some ideas off him, you can find him on myspace or facebook.

[mr natural]

Oh come on, guys. Yes, a vegan diet will make it harder to put on size. That goes without saying. But is a vegan (especially one who's trying to get lots of protein) much worse off than a bodybuilder who doesn't eat enough? And we all know plenty of those - right now I'd include myself in that category! :oops:

Diet is an incredibly important part of bodybuilding, sure. But there are other factors too - workout routine, training technique, genetics, committment, etc. Get those right, and you'll still make some progress.

That said, I believe cows like being milked (it relieves the pressure, I think) so I have no ethical issues about dairy.

thats all good,it just means more cow for the rest of us! :flames:

[Gym rat]

Yes that is cool that but more nice yummy meat from the rest of us for the likes of any type of meat from a cow like steak :flames: :flames: .

[2guns]

weirdos...

u knwo wat would be funny, to make a vegan sum food then sneak sumthing meaty into it (like spike ther food with meat LMAO) then tell them after theyd eaten it

[auck_builder]

hahahah this is crack up ! man i couldnt imagine not eating meat, fark that! but man if u can put on size without it good on you, but what a hasstle, dieting is hard enough without having to be that strict!

[Gym rat]

I reckon that myself this topic is a crack up I also can not imagine eating meat as well plus the smell of meat when cooking meat on one's George Forman Grill yummy plus the nice smell as well.

[auck_builder]

lol hardout!

[solardrive77]

Many thanks for the feedback by all. To answer Mike Zero's comments regarding my ethics, that's a little unfair to say the least. Changing from a meat based diet to a Vegetarian diet is a process and takes time, it is wise to become Vegetarian (to what level) for a while before going fully Vegan. Otherwise you would fail, simple as that. It would be to difficult to adjust.

It is true that that many Vegans eat chips and nothing else and have a poor unhealthy diet, however, it can be said that about a vast majority of the general public. I see people all the time staggering around bloated and breathless clutching cola and chips.

When I went Vegetarian one of my friends told me that I would not get enough B12 or protein in my diet (he had a beer belly and was smoking a cigatette at the time), I proved him wrong and have a wide varied, plentiful diet, and I don't have a beer belly either!!.

Whatever will happen, the training comes first, and as long as this is dedicated, intense and consistant followed up with a clean eating plan there will be a measure of success.

The iron simply won't lift itself........

[runveerun]

Good on you solardrive! I'm sure you will be fine! I will interested to see what your diet will look like and what kind of BB progress you make. Sorry we couldn't be more helpful!!

[Viranchi]

wtf is the diff between a vegan and a vegetarian.... and those muthas that are vegetarians but eat fish are whacko... wats all that shit about?

Lol

Vegetarian doesnt eat any animals including fish and chicken and eggs and gelatine

Vegan doesnt eat any animal products either eg honey, milk..

[Ash]

I've been training as a vegetarian since 1996 or so, never really had any hassles getting protein as long as I focussed on my eating and zero problems making gains and maintaining mass.

Training as a vegan would be a major mission, so all respect to you if you're dedicated enough to do it. There are vegan sources of protein powder available, like hemp and pea (check out http://www.trueprotein.com for some options, I think they've got a couple) I suppose it really depends on your thoughts on protein intake - if you're aiming at getting a serious amount vs. just getting enough to maintain or just make slow progress. I know that I'd battle without my bag of whey!

You're on the right track with the soy - keep it to a minimum, it's best to get protein elsewhere rather than ingest heaps of soy products. Been there - it isn't much fun.

Ash

[Pseudonym]

Ash! I thought about invoking your name to answer this question, but decided you must have run off to eat meat in secret somewhere. How the bloody hell are you, man?! :grin:

[Ash]

Greetings squire

All good with me. Still training hard but I've been in cutting mode for quite a while now, slowly getting down to decent bodyfat levels. At my advanced old age, I don't want to be carrying any more BF than I have to. I've found it quite easy to maintain mass and even put on some because I'm not cutting at a crazy rate but once I get down to where I want to be, I'll start pushing for some gains again (probably at the end of the year).

Might restart my journal then - although I'm doing even lower volume routines than I used to (believe it or not). Couple of worksets per bodypart and I'm done and the results have been encouraging, I don't think I'll ever do high volume workouts again in my life.