Vegan Training

[solardrive77]

Hello Everybody,

I would like to get some feedback on this on.

At present I'm a strict vegetarian which a decent athletic physique, I train six days a week and use whey and creatine, however, I have been thinking of switching to a Vegan diet.

What is the forums opinions on Vegan nutrition?

[Flamer]

Hello Everybody,

I would like to get some feedback on this on.

At present I'm a strict vegetarian which a decent athletic physique, I train six days a week and use whey and creatine, however, I have been thinking of switching to a Vegan diet.

What is the forums opinions on Vegan nutrition?

Prepare to shrink. I've tried it - it doesn't work. Protein is simply not high enough quality and getting enough of it is an isuue too.

[goinhard]

what about that gemma pea protein or is even that not vegan friendly?

[samoan_muscle]

Are you vegan or vegetarian??

[Varven]

Why would you want to go to a vegan routine, what are your motivations ?

what do you expect from your training and physique ? think about it in detail... ?

[solardrive77]

I'm a strict Vegetarian at present, making the shift to Veganism after Christmas hopefully. I'm at present using Metaphysics Creatine Advance with Horleys Ice Whey. I'm keeping a very clean diet focusing on varied protein sources, just researching other protein sources for strength training at the moment.

[solardrive77]

To answer Varvan's questions, I won't bore you with the reasons for the Vegan route, just to say it is an ethical decision. There are plenty of unhealthy Vegans out there with no real knowledge on nutrition. They enjoy banging the drum to anyone that will listen. Not me.

There are plenty of Vegan athletes out there, Mike Mahler the kettlebell instructor for one. At present I weight 85kg's with 14% BF and 187cm tall. Through a solid diet, hard detailed hypertrophy training (40-70 seconds per set) I have built a solid athletic foundation, I am however concerned with the amount of soy that I have for obvious reasons.

Changes in physique, I honestly don't know, I train pretty hard and my body has changed due to this. It may be an interesting experience.

[Pete]

It's probably the excessive amounts of soy that are making you gay and therefore making you want to go vegan.

[solardrive77]

Thanks for the intelligent thought provoking feedback Pete. I will take those wise words on board. Please feel free to give yourself an uppercut anytime you wish. The sooner the better really. lol.

[weener lad]

I think if its purely a moral change and you want to keep training you may need to consult a very good nutritionist for advice. Personally I am dead against it, you will be starving your body of what is required to grow and recover correctly. Now I know that will not go down well with some :pfft: but I challenge you to find a very healthy Vegan let alone on how is bodybuilding.

Just my thoughts and in no way an attack on your choice.

[solardrive77]

No Problem with the advice, it's appriciated.

Just throwing the idea out for feedback, at present it's tough to get the correct amount of protein in my diet, lots of shakes, nuts, cottage cheese, tofu and soy for example.

[Pete]

Do you include chickpeas?

I'd definitely get rid of the soy (including tofu) asap.

[solardrive77]

I do have chick peas but not a great deal. I use Quinoa (it's really good) though with a lot of shakes thrown in. It's a high source of protein and goes with pretty much anything.

[Varven]

It's one thing to be athletic, muscular and healthy, if so, by all means do what makes you happy.

If you want to compete on stage, I think youd require a boat load of drugs to put on size with that kind of a diet.

[goinhard]

I dont see why with a lot of shakes made from pea protein powder combined with your usual diet you couldnt do just fine. Keep the protein and the calories up.

[Pseudonym]

As Goinhard suggests, you could try the Lipotropic Protein. My review wasn't very favourable, but by the end of the tub, I'd got used to it. It certainly wouldn't be my first choice, but then I don't have your diet restrictions.

[TK3]

What about powdered egg subsitute. Not sure of the protein content though or if would fit vegan, but an idea

[runveerun]

I reckon you can do it between tofu, beans, tempeh,seiten, nuts and protein shakes will you keep a journal on here? It would be very interesting!

[Pete]

Tofu is soy so that is out.

If you actually look at the quantities involved in getting 2gms of protein per kg of body mass from vegan ingredients, it's not a particularly healthy way to eat and would be very difficult to maintain.

[2guns]

wtf is the diff between a vegan and a vegetarian.... and those muthas that are vegetarians but eat fish are whacko... wats all that shit about?

[Flamer]

wtf is the diff between a vegan and a vegetarian.... and those muthas that are vegetarians but eat fish are whacko... wats all that shit about?

Vegetarian will still eat/consume dairy products. Vegan - nothing from an animal source. Really hard to do. Basic things like margarine & bread have skim milk powder as part of their ingredients - so they are out for a vegan.

[AgentOrange]

wtf is the diff between a vegan and a vegetarian.... and those muthas that are vegetarians but eat fish are whacko... wats all that shit about?

Vegetarian will still eat/consume dairy products. Vegan - nothing from an animal source. Really hard to do. Basic things like margarine & bread have skim milk powder as part of their ingredients - so they are out for a vegan.

what a bumnch of mamby pamby babbies get a steak up ya.... oh btw mr vegan i love my steak really rare with heaps of blood oozing out of the stupid cow.

thankmoo.

[2guns]

wtf is the diff between a vegan and a vegetarian.... and those muthas that are vegetarians but eat fish are whacko... wats all that shit about?

Vegetarian will still eat/consume dairy products. Vegan - nothing from an animal source. Really hard to do. Basic things like margarine & bread have skim milk powder as part of their ingredients - so they are out for a vegan.

what a bumnch of mamby pamby babbies get a steak up ya.... oh btw mr vegan i love my steak really rare with heaps of blood oozing out of the stupid cow.

thankmoo.

LOL!!!

[runveerun]

wtf is the diff between a vegan and a vegetarian.... and those muthas that are vegetarians but eat fish are whacko... wats all that shit about?

A vegan is somebody who doesn't eat or use anything from animals ie: meat, dairy,eggs, leather. A vegetarian is somebody who doesn't eat meat but will eat dairy and usually eggs. Somebody who eats fish but not meat is not a vegetarian at all.

[runveerun]

Tofu is soy so that is out.

If you actually look at the quantities involved in getting 2gms of protein per kg of body mass from vegan ingredients, it's not a particularly healthy way to eat and would be very difficult to maintain.

I don't understand why soy is out? It is a main staple of a vegetarian diet.