New president for the NZFBB

[2guns]

isnt their a natural federation for these guys? they have Pro cards too....theyre organic lol

pity they let juicers guest pose and convicted steroid importers win the natural olympia

maybe they need get their house in order first?

[nicksmith3]

isnt their a natural federation for these guys? they have Pro cards too....theyre organic lol

pity they let juicers guest pose and convicted steroid importers win the natural olympia

maybe they need get their house in order first?

You have a point there mate, i certainly agrree with you you. Double standards certainly isn't the way to obtaining a credable federation.

This is a question related slightly to this topic,

If a New Zealand 'natural' competitior in the future wanted to compete against guys like Layne Norton (NPC Natural Pro) how would he qualify if the only federations in New Zealand don't drug test? move to the States?

[Optimass]

If a New Zealand 'natural' competitior in the future wanted to compete against guys like Layne Norton (NPC Natural Pro) how would he qualify if the only federations in New Zealand don't drug test? move to the States?

I think under the rules you can supply a test done independantly (within 3 months of the international). In NZ this could be supported/funded by the federation you are competing in - or you can organise your own as I think they do in the states. (I could be wrong but was told this was common practice overseas).

[Optimass]

maybe they need get their house in order first?

:nod: absolutely ......

Also - I believe you are considered natural in the states if you have been off the gear for minimum 2 years. I guess it needs to be proven if you have or havent within that time. So whilst you may think these athletes are 100% natural .. you could also be a little naive ....

[nicksmith3]

If a New Zealand 'natural' competitior in the future wanted to compete against guys like Layne Norton (NPC Natural Pro) how would he qualify if the only federations in New Zealand don't drug test? move to the States?

I think under the rules you can supply a test done independantly (within 3 months of the international). In NZ this could be supported/funded by the federation you are competing in - or you can organise your own as I think they do in the states. (I could be wrong but was told this was common practice overseas).

Ok, but that would mean you would have to place wouldn't it?

So if youre competing on stage against someone who can physically obtain a high DDMI than yourself by being on gear, (lower bf %). Than what chance would you have of placing high enough for the federation to want to support you?

As you can see i am very curious of this topic

[Optimass]

I have seen some really lean natural athletes - being on the gear doesn't mean you will hold less bodyfat working under the same conditions and intensity as another athlete. But I get what you are saying.

check out Dave Goodin "the Texas Shredder" - puts on his own show every year. He is quite inspirational - I think he consults over the net also. To enter you have to be clean for 5 years - the overall winner gets an NPC Championship Ring. Note this year a light weight competitor won the overall.

http://www.texasshredderclassic.com/tex ... lassic.htm

http://www.musculardevelopment.com/brow ... tcode=1237

Danield Hibbs should be looking to compete at shows like this. And he is proof you can make it to the top of the game without the edge.

[nicksmith3]

I have seen some really lean natural athletes - being on the gear doesn't mean you will hold less bodyfat working under the same conditions and intensity as another athlete. But I get what you are saying.

check out Dave Goodin "the Texas Shredder" - puts on his own show every year. He is quite inspirational - I think he consults over the net also. To enter you have to be clean for 5 years - the overall winner gets an NPC Championship Ring. Note this year a light weight competitor won the overall.

http://www.texasshredderclassic.com/tex ... lassic.htm

http://www.musculardevelopment.com/brow ... tcode=1237

Danield Hibbs should be looking to compete at shows like this. And he is proof you can make it to the top of the game without the edge.

Theres a great episode here of Dave Goodin on Layne Norton's ''Inside the life of a natural pro bodybuilder''

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/insidethelife18.htm

Thanks for the tips mate