NZFBBs new bad article!

[hrdcor]

Hey anyone happen to see the article in the NZ Herald today(back page sports section), ???Ummmmm not what I would call a flatering read!!

[Ash]

The article is available online at:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/index.cfm?c_i ... D=10335393

[Growth]

Nope, is there some kind of online version you can access?

[Growth]

You beat me to it Ash :grin:

[Spitterkat]

wtf, ur allowed to use steroids, pfft

[Pseudonym]

I don't understand the decision not to go public with the tribunal's conclusion. What does Moe's phrase "no penalty was imposed" mean? Is he innocent? If Moe is innocent, surely he would want the result made public? Surely the Federation would want to make it public?

It's certainly a concern if there's a possibility the testing lab is getting results mixed up. I think it would be helpful to all competitors to see the path the entire procedure took - from the moment of the first drug test, right through to tribunal's decision. I'm thoroughly confused by the whole process, and I'm sure many bodybuilders will be wondering how they might be affected by it...

[hrdcor]

Mate it has nothing to do with the procedures or a mix up of tests, it is the way the whole thing has been handled by the NZFBB which is in question, First the fact that it took 8 months for this story to arrise, secondly the fact that the story was leaked to the press,Thirdly the fact that the NZFBB actualy spent money(whilst in huge dept) on the hearing knowing full well that no penalitys could be impossed on Moe that would have any consiquence on him what so ever( it will also pay to note Moe was not the only athlete at that hearing for drug testing infringements, didnt know that did yas),Fourth the fact that the story was made public and now the NZFBB is refuseing to talk!!,Fifth the fact the NZFBB president openly lied to the AGM inregards to Moes motion,Sixth the fact that the NZFBB president publicly denied at the AGM haveing never ,nor do they indorse the Pro status of Moe, when in fact the NZFBB wrote a sighned letter to Jim Manion indorseing Moe for his pro status!!I tell you what If I was competting and i saw that this happens to NZFBB compettitors I would think twice about competing for the NZFBB, this whole thing is a shamples and disgracefull and someone needs to be held accountable,this debacile has defamed the NZFBB and the sport and Moe, Moe has asked for a public apoligy from the NZFBB but was turned down by the NZFBB president!!

[waldo]

Disclaimer: This is by no means an attack on anyone here, more a commentary on the sport itself.

This sort of shit goes to prove a couple of things: First off, you'll look like an idiot if you try to use the media to report something in a certain way. Unfortunately whoever instigated this has only made themselves and the sport look like absolute petty amateurs.

Secondly, way to go for having a good whack at ruining a sport for the greater population at large. Those at the top really need to look at whats going on here, and heads need to roll. A few years back the heads of the NZRFU absolutely ruined NZ's chance of co-hosting the rugby world cup, and what happened? The public and union demanded their heads and got them. The same should be happening here. This is an absolute shambles and must be rectified before Bodybuilding in New Zealand winds up with zero credibility, which in my opinion isn't that far away.

Maybe another federation isn't the best idea owing to the size of the market we are in, but something has to happen here for the good of the sport....and all the politics and in-fighting must stop for any good to come of it.

[Chickenlegs]

Disclaimer: This is an attack on The NZFBB president!!

I cant believe all this bullshit. Someone should sack that arsehole. and be done with it.

All in favour say "I"

[frogie2001]

if this is really such a long standing issue, why wasn't this person or persons voted out at the last AGM???

[waldo]

Yup, I'll go for a heads rolling any time. Any new persons elected should not have a financial interest in the sport either, meaning impartiality is the key to smooth runnings.

Ever wonder why many companies have independant directors and usually an accountant or lawyer on the board?

[Ash]

Guys - is there any merit to inviting the current president of the NZFBB to get involved in the NZFBB related discussions on this forum?

Everytime we mention the NZFBB, it's one-sided and quite hostile and I for one would like to hear the other side of the story. I can't see any chance of sorting out the current situation if we don't at least try to get all the involved parties talking.

Of course, he doesn't have to accept given the aggressive tone of some posts and maybe it's a waste of time even extending the invitation but it's probably the right thing to do.

Any thoughts - am I just being naive? :?

[hrdcor]

People, I have been involved one way or another with the NZFBB for over 15yrs, and have never realy involved myself with the politics of it all, I guess I was like the most of you out there and just wanted to compete and go see competiitons and Sponcer them.There have been only two occasions where I have got involved and on those two occassions I WAS ASKED to do so by committe members, this being one of those occasions.Since been asked to attend a meeting held 5weeks prior to the AGM and the AGM I have been made awear of a number of issues that I beleive are not right, and I have made my opinion on these matters well known.

The issues I have are not based on Hear say but all on the the descussions and questions I raised based on these descussions at these meetings.

I actualy have just read the Minutes from the AGM and have huge problems with them as the minutes in no way convay the discussions and questioning at this meeting, I have spoke to several individuals whom where also at the AGM and have read the minutes and they too have expressed the same sentiments!! I have subsiquently asked to see the authors of the minutes and asked whom ok,ed these minutes to be circulated to the members, as yet I have had no reply.

In short you dont have to be concerned with the running of the NZFBB, why should you, none of you have been before, but over time there must have been people whom where concerned , and its those people who do get invoved in the political running of the sport, most for want of giving back to what they love , some for there own personal gain and egos, but some one has to be involved, and as a member of the NZFBB it should be you because the NZFBB is Owned by YOU !!!

Prehaps this sort of thing has been going on for awhile and it is just because now, the NZFBB has hit rock bottom that it is greatly highlighted, prehaps thats why several committe members asked me to come to that meeting, but if I was you I would be worried for I see worst things to come if the current NZFBB managment cannot turn things around,a task I personaly do not see them capable of doing judgeing by the recent loss in sponcerships, there first 3 shows running at a loss, continued poor spending, and the humiliation and degrigation of the sport by the media!!

Thats my educated opinion and I am perfectly entitled to it, just as you are to yours , you just have to decide wether my opinion holds any merit or not, but that is your opinion, I wont hold it against you, I respect another mans opinion.

Another note the highlite of these issues have also been due to this and similar forums in NZ, up untill this, no one would have known the delemias the federations is faceing unless they went to the meetings, and who wants to go to the meetings!!( prehaps this is why no one realy has a clue they are actualy on)Do you think a news letter would have been sent out by the current committe with the heading, WE ARE IN THE SHIT,CAN ANY ONE HELP?, ????

[point of view]

if this is really such a long standing issue, why wasn't this person or persons voted out at the last AGM???

Because no one else stood for the position of President-he was elected unnaposed

[Pseudonym]

Ash - I think you're right. This forum needs to be neutral, so the voice of the NZFBB should be heard too. They were invited to have a representative on here to answer questions when this site was first launched. It's probably time that invitation was repeated. I'll send them an email, and let you know the outcome.

8)

[hrdcor]

Good luck, the NZFBB president did bag sites such as these publicly at the AGM !!!

In regards to the president being unaposed,propibly because no one knew that nominations had to be in or even if the meeting was on and that voteing took place!The NZFBB says they send out info on these subjects all the time, and yet it is suprizeing the number of members who say , I never saw any thing!!,not even a poster!!,so the NZFBB say they send out info,the members say they never see anything !! We need a new system dont you think, or is their a consperiacy theory behind this all!!

What I wanna know is this ,If every thing that is decided by the NZFBB other than the day to day running of the NZFBB,( things like Rule changes,Committe Voteing, Elections,Drug testing issues,Constitution Issues, Large Expenditure etc etc), are meant to be put to membership approval, why on earth dont they have a online voteing system that will allow members whom cant get to Auckland every time they have a meeting(that no one knows about any how)have there say,after all thats how it is meant to be run, plus this system would eliminate alot of the expenditure of flying the committe members from all around the country to attend a meeting that none of the members know about any how??This way the members will decide if change is ganna happen or not, if yes, it was meant to be, and no one can complain, and if no, it was not meant to be, and no one can complain!!

With technoligy the way it is today it would make good sence to do this considering the NZFBB is a Incorperated Society, which means it is membership owned.!!

[frogie2001]

hrdcor.

this is a realy good idea. tell you what if you are keen give me your name and address etc in private when the next agm comes around, and I'll nominate you for pres' you have some good ideas that personally I would like to see come around.

F

[L.A Muscle]

I would also put your name forward, as I'm sure a lot of people would. As I see it with your experience in the sport and in business, you would make an ideal candidate.

[gymchick]

Hey why dont we start a online vote for HRDCOR for president who ever he is. He seems to have a good handle on things and has some good ideas, and seems very experianced in all aspects of the Sport, plus if he is successfull in business as some one said,then we need this type of person at the top.lets face it the current president is makeing the nzfbb look stupid in the public and with the other federations.

[Pseudonym]

Copy of email sent to Mark Stewart, NZFBB president, on 14/7/05:

Subject: NZFBB invited to speak

Hi Mark,

Recently our forum members have had quite a few discussions regarding the Federation and competitive bodybuilding in New Zealand. Some of these members have very strong opinions on the direction the sport is heading. As a platform for communication, the impartial position of our website is very important to us. Therefore in the interests of balance and objectivity, we would like you to invite you (or a representative of the Federation) to respond.

Naturally, we are committed to ensuring that any discussion could take place in a mature, polite environment. We will ensure that everyone can have their say, protected by our basic forum rules.

We look forward to hearing your comments.

Kind regards,

NZ Bodybuilding

http://www.nzbb.co.nz

[point of view]

Hey point of veiw , do you have a point of veiw on the NZFBB delemia at the moment , I heard you told the NZFBB not to spend any dosh yet they went and did it anyhow getting themselfs into all sorts of trouble!!???

The NZFBB has always been financially stable for the last 25 years.This was achieved through the support of the members at the shows and prudent spending by the administration.We also received excellent sponsorship from Nutralife and other sponsors so our income was substantial.

What went wrong was a drop off in profits from the shows but no corresponding reduction in costsThe administration costs which we always tried to cover with membership fees just blew out.Several times I challenged the commitee that we were "broke" which was denied.As chairman of the team selection commitee made up of the Nationals judges I stated that as we were "broke" we should not be making any financial commitment to sending athletes overseas until the debt was cleared.This was refuted by the President who asked the accountant to tell the judges how much money we had in the bank.She apparently told one of the judges we had $25,000.00 in the bank.However when I asked what our debt loading was I could not get an answer. Sound familiar?

It has been shown since then that we were over $30,000.00 in debt at that time so we were mislead as to the true situation of our finances.

We then went ahead and picked teams but some athletes were only to get 50% funding.

I have since received what I consider an abusive letter criticising me for allowing the 50% subsidy to go ahead as it should have been 100%

In view of the financial situation I'm glad I did.I just hope the finances turn around and The NZFBB can honour their obligations to the athletes.

This situation has been brought about by a down turn in competitors at the contests and a subsequent drop in audience which can be attributed to several reasons but meant less income but no restraint on spending when it was painfully obvious that we were heading towards insolvency.The accountant warned us at a commitee meeting that we were insolvent but no one paid a scrap of notice.

I had no support from the commitee at all either because they didn't understand simple accountancy or for other reasons which I leave to you to think about.As the accountant said in her summary this year dated 21.2.2005 quote'This paints a pretty sad picture for the future of NZFBB unless some pretty major changes come about-hosting profitable events for a couple of years without spending the profits would be a start"

I rest my case

[frogie2001]

mate sounds like if this were a private company it would have been liquidated a fair while ago. I feel that it isn't fair though that we as members stand on the side line and complain, we have the ability to sort this issue out, if we became more involved in its running. I am just as guilty as I couldn't make it to the agm either.

[frogie2001]

hey can we combine this with the link in competitors corner, of the same topic. it's really good that we are going to get Mark to reply to these questions.

oN A SID note,

suedo, wat r da chanses we git a spel chek on dis groop? it aint a bg del but sumtimes bd spelin can git 2 peple. :pfft:

[hrdcor]

Point of veiw thank you for your reply, and your integrity.You obviously were consious of the future of our sport when you made your stand against the current running of the NZFBB ,and for this you need to be commended,I to noticed total lack of conviction and honesty at the AGM, and that to has me concerned,like froggie said if this was a private company , several people would have lost their jobs by now , and you would have got a promotion!!

[frogie2001]

I GUESS POINT OF VIEW IS A CURRENT MEMBER OF THE NZFBB COMMITEE?