MIADA WHAT A JOKE DALE SHEPARD AHAHHAHAHA

[keats]

Listen to yourselves, you're a group of clowns and wannabes who use drugs and have no talent

There are a lot of members on this site who probably have a lot more 'talent' than yourself too.

Have you EVER used steroids Dale? Im sure either way you would say no regardless of if you have or not. Im sure if you did you would have asked for advice too.

[auck_builder]

GUESS WHO'S BACK - DALES BACK , BACK AGAIN

hahahahahahahaha

[MOD EDIT: No inflammatory comments, please.]

[2guns]

Interestin story: (true story)

DS = Dale Shepard (not, dog shit)

Several months ago a supplement company employee told me a story from many years ago where he was helping out a contests organizer by doing the door at a show. This guy is just a regular Joe, not a BBuilder.

Everythings going fine until DS turns up with a friend and trys to walk in with out paying.

When the guy on the door tells him he has to pay, DS freaks out swearing and making a big scene saying that hes a sponsor and that he doesnt have to pay.

The guy on the door checks and confirms that he is not a sponsor and tells him he will have to pay. DS freaks out some more making such a scene that his embarrased mate just gives him his ticket and buys another one for himself just to keep the peace.

On his way in DS shoulders the guy on the door.

Several minutes later a Huge BBuilders and friend of the organizer hears what has happened and goes looking for DS to smash him.

Having heard that this guy was looking for him, our big hero DS disappears out the side exit not to return!

[2guns]

do u remember that dale???

or do we need to say names and dates etc?

[Old School]

I must say I am a little bewildered by this tread. 1: 2 guns Dale has challenged you to a fight, he is probably serious, if you think him a spinless whimp why not take him up on that offer? 2: Dale, Why are miada supplements and steriods mutually exclusive? and if you only want them used by natural athletes then why be involved in bodybuilding at all? why even read these forums? I like your supplements. I think the Harden Up Protein is Delicious and I am a big bodybuilder and I do use performance enhancing drugs, people will often ask me what supplements I would recommend, (usually these people are steriod users also) up untill now I would have recommended Harden Up, would you prefer that I did'nt. incase it encouraged the use of your supplements by serious athletes?

[Dale]

do u remember that dale???

or do we need to say names and dates etc?

Please name names. Certainly isn't in my recollection but refresh me please and who was coming to "smash me" as you put it.

[mantoes]

well, i dont know dale but have heard of him and from my own observation he seems self obsessed and is green(not hulk like) with envy by anyone that the spotlight shines upon who is in the same boat as him.

The Big Supplement bosses challenge seems his only way to counter the spotlight that shines on other business suppliers of nutritional supplements, it is all a one sided challenge that promotes the miada brand, that by his own admission no one has taken up as it proves nothing and is all just his own marketing gimick to get his own brand name recognised. If you were to turn up to a boxing match where the officials, judges and refferee were all apart the opponents fighting camp you would feel more then weary of calls being biast and would almost for certain know that you are in the "getting screwed" zone. The challenge, with everything paid by miada, the tent at the expo and everything miada, if you were a boss regardless if you tested negative for performance enhancing drugs would feel the same in the "getting screwed zone" as you know all calls would most probably be biased. I dont think that every supplement boss is scarred of the challenge, but more there is no reason to participate in such a challenge if business is good. the point behind the challenge is not valid either as in an earlier post if you were to test negative and lose it doesnt necessarily mean that the supplements you were taking has made you a superior strenghth machine, lets cut the BS there is alot of talk on the miada site of criticism on the olympia expo and them(Mr O Competitors) promoting their products with their image fooling the public that they can have similar gains by taking the supplements they endorse, when in reality Miada products have similar to exact ingredients as those he(Dale) has so much criticism about, the only thing is that they have the big marketing monster of Mr O competitors to make the brand more attractive, all businesses do that it is vital for businesses to have marketing and its genuis that the companies get these guys to promote it, dont hate the game homeboy if you scarred to play with the big doggs, just get some balls and get better marketting ideas, and 10,000 customers aint no thing when big companies can pull in the millions by using athletes that use their products which are endorsed not only by bodybuilders but by athletes of all different sports, i.e MMA, Boxing, sprinters, cyclist etc.

[Old School]

Infact I can remember when you first released MIADA. It was endorsed by the biggest drug users around and was seen as a much more serious product than it is now. I can understand that you have some personal issues with drugs in sport but I really don't see how pissing of the athletes at the top who everyone else asks advice from is going to help your business. You don't know me and like most people on this site I like to be anonymous so that I don't have to lie about drug use. I will say that I am a business man my self (No not a drug dealer) and sometimes it is better to keep your personal opinions to your self for the good of your business. I mean seriously why would you want people who could potentially be your best customers to hate you?

[Dale]

I must say I am a little bewildered by this tread. 1: 2 guns Dale has challenged you to a fight, he is probably serious, if you think him a spinless whimp why not take him up on that offer? 2: Dale, Why are miada supplements and steriods mutually exclusive? and if you only want them used by natural athletes then why be involved in bodybuilding at all? why even read these forums? I like your supplements. I think the Harden Up Protein is Delicious and I am a big bodybuilder and I do use performance enhancing drugs, people will often ask me what supplements I would recommend, (usually these people are steriod users also) up untill now I would have recommended Harden Up, would you prefer that I did'nt. incase it encouraged the use of your supplements by serious athletes?

I believe SELLING SUPPLEMENTS and using drugs is mutually exclusive. Hence the supplement boss challenge started in 2002. Why all of you who don't sell supplements feel so threatened is beyond me. If you use steroids and train good for you, your choice as I have always said. If you SELL supplements and claim you are clean - aka Justin Reece - then all I ask is prove it. I will prove it anyday, anytime, anyplace.

I offered earlier in the thread, get 5 of you together and choose a random date to test me if you believe I am using! Then we will get the Sports Drug Testing Agency to turn up on my doorstep anytime you advise them and I'll pay for the tests. I have also said already, I am also joining the NZ Powerlifting Federation next week who you then give permission to randomly test you in and out of contest.

I have no issue with anyone using whatever they want unless they are selling supplements and using. And yes I was serious with offer to Thomas McEnirney. Yes I was serious about Miada paying for your own elected group to choose 2 random dates and of course I dont know when they are! and I will pay the testing fees. There is no point in me just turning up to get tested now as the outspoken disenchanted ones would just say - yeah he organised it and he just beat the test because he organised it all!

Its your choice if you use Old School. You will do whatever you want to do. If you sell supplements then I would happily invite you to compete at the Supplement Boss Challenge also as I did with Justin, as I have done since 2002.

[mantoes]

okay that sounded a more informative answer to the questions asked, and the challenge explained seems clearer from your post, but hey BK declined and the whole posting his email thing was I think a jab at his product range because he didnt do something you wanted him too which seems to me as bullying. the whole I challenge you because you sell supplements thing seems a lilttle bit childish as Im sure if your a supplement boss and competitive bodybuilder then of course you may have some past history with performance enhancing drugs and of course you would say i dont use, as who in their right mind would associate that bad publicity to their business, its just business suicide. I know the whole arguement will come up why say your natural then but then you distance yourself from a big market by saying this product if for non users of performance enhancers.

please tell me without the challenge how your

creatine

whey protein

ZMA

L-Glutamine

L-Carnitine

BCAA's

are better then other brands that sell the same product range? if it taste good, is a major factor and grms per scoop is important to me and how much you get our of it for your buck is a major part as well

these are usually staples of strength athletes so what ingredients do you have that makes yours better?

[Matrix]

Notice how Dale has sidestepped my earlier question.

Dale assumes the self styled moral high ground when he states that he thinks people that sell supplements should not imply they are clean if they are not or he will ask them to prove it.

I dont have a problem with that statement, that s his own opinion and whether or not people choose to answer that is their business, they are not under oath.

What puzzles me is why he is prepared to ask that question yet wont confirm or deny if he has used steroids or other illegal performance enhancers himself at any time.

Is he suggesting it is morally ok to have used in the past and still be selling supplements but if you are currently using it is not.

More importantly isnt what people use, who they date, when they S@$t their own business, if they want to share that information they will, but if they think the person they are sharing the information with will just use it to discredit them and harm their business of course they wont.

[mantoes]

bottom line your all in for the money, and obviously love what ever the hell your doing so why hate? every squirell is trying to get that nut so who cares if voda has better mobiles then telecom or vice versa they dont bitch at each other and have a challenge between CEO's they get more aggressive marketing at a more competitive price, Dale chill and focus on your own products then trying to slander someone elses through a competition that satisfies only your own agenda, I am not an advocate for BK by any means but I am just calling it as I see it which you may or may not agree with.

ok enuff bitching from me, back to something more constructive

Peace!

[auck_builder]

Dale = supplement selling god. you all must obey his rules

[2guns]

dale u should learn to handle other ppls opinions abit better. it seems u can give shit but u dnt take it too well

and no dale im not taking u up on yr offer for the sole reason it would just be a lose lose situation for me. id either lose the fight or when i won ud just involve the law/courts like u tryed to do last time.... so im not really interested for that reason

dnt want u and yr 'big' legal team after me again do i :pfft:

y dnt u tell us wats in yr supps (or wats not in them... anyone get the joke..?) that makes them better than say justins? instead of having some lame challenge

[Old School]

2 Guns. I have seen you compete in your last show and you seem much less confident in person. Personally I think you would be very scared of Dale. and I think his warehouse challenge is very unfair firstly because you would be infact out numbered 2 to 1 and secondly because the members of this forum would'nt get to see it! If it could be incorporated into a public forum like perhaps the half time entertainment at the nationals I for 1 would pay double for the ticket! I am surprised at dale also. why would it take a ex SAS officer to determine weather or not someone was conscious (the criteria set for winning) anyone could do that. I am really having fun now who would like to see the ware house challenge set in a more public venue? and one more question lets take a poll. is it more dishonest to claim that supplements can deliver results anywhere near what steroids etc do or for someone who any idiot could tell uses both to endorse the supplements while publicly denying the steroid use?

[Dale]

Notice how Dale has sidestepped my earlier question.

Dale assumes the self styled moral high ground when he states that he thinks people that sell supplements should not imply they are clean if they are not or he will ask them to prove it.

I dont have a problem with that statement, that s his own opinion and whether or not people choose to answer that is their business, they are not under oath.

What puzzles me is why he is prepared to ask that question yet wont confirm or deny if he has used steroids or other illegal performance enhancers himself at any time.

Is he suggesting it is morally ok to have used in the past and still be selling supplements but if you are currently using it is not.

More importantly isnt what people use, who they date, when they S@$t their own business, if they want to share that information they will, but if they think the person they are sharing the information with will just use it to discredit them and harm their business of course they wont.

Matrix, post your real name, work address and what you do for a job (i have done so - everyone knows my name, you all know where I work, you have a website with all address details) all I have from you is a pseudonym. When we all know who you are and what you do then answer this question - have you ever used steroids or performance enhancing drugs at any time? Give this information to me and then I will answer your question in kind. Give a little get a little.

[Old School]

2 Guns. I have seen you compete in your last show and you seem much less confident in person. Personally I think you would be very scared of Dale. and I think his warehouse challenge is very unfair firstly because you would be infact out numbered 2 to 1 and secondly because the members of this forum would'nt get to see it! If it could be incorporated into a public forum like perhaps the half time entertainment at the nationals I for 1 would pay double for the ticket! I am surprised at dale also. why would it take a ex SAS officer to determine weather or not someone was conscious (the criteria set for winning) anyone could do that. I am really having fun now who would like to see the ware house challenge set in a more public venue? and one more question lets take a poll. is it more dishonest to claim that supplements can deliver results anywhere near what steroids etc do or for someone who any idiot could tell uses both to endorse the supplements while publicly denying the steroid use?

[Matrix]

Hi Dale, Sure, check the Nabba website or muscle imaging, my names Darryl, I competed in this years Counties Manukau.

My trade is a PT and live in Christchurch.

No I dont use Steroids or any other illegal performance enhancers and never have.

I stick to Whole foods, Protein Powders,Creatine , glutamine and BCAA's.

I compete in the Athletic Division @ around74kg's.

[Old School]

Hey Matrix that's not fair! you tricked Dale. he thought you where a bodybuilder not a calvin clien underware model :pfft:

[Dale]

dale im not taking u up on yr offer for the sole reason it would just be a lose lose situation for me. id either lose the fight or when i won ud just involve the law/courts like u tryed to do last time.... so im not really interested for that reason

2guns we both sign a waiver - we both accept all risks inherent in the event, sign all indemnity against any legal action seeing you somehow seem to be using that as a reason not to follow through on your bravado - i only offered this to you because you seem to want my attention all the time and thought it a great way for us to get to know each other better, quality time and great for fitness too.

We select a professional MMA ref or someone like Carl Weaver (a world champion MMA fighter who my mate trains with) who is totally independent and will know exactly when to stop it. It is no big deal, its not for public show, and maybe it would settle whatever you started with me with comments in old threads - remember I didnt even know about this website until your comments in particular came to my attention.

I was also a bit confused Old School with your last comment, am I the idiot you are referring to and are you saying I use supplements and are taking steroids now or were you referring to someone else with that comment?

[Old School]

Ha ha I'm just teasing I was'nt much bigger either before I "turned to the dark side" and fairs fair Dale he showed you his. \:D/

[auck_builder]

dale are you still talking? i thought your first post was your last? seems like u just enjoy the attention and shitting over your own business?

[Ann]

Miada? Sorry to sound nieve, but I've never heard of it :roll:

Gaspari, Muscletech, VPX, San, all products that I use.

Miada, ummmmm - no.

[Matrix]

Old School: touche! :pfft:

[Old School]

I was referreing to Justin as the person that anyone can see takes both supplements and steriods. or Ronnie Coleman or infact any good bodybuilder that takes steriods and endorses Supplements. I don't believe you to be an idiot though it is hard to see why you let 2 guns dragg you into these debates that in my opinion hurt your business.