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You could do 8 weeks but IMO 30mg isn't enough. To be effective you really need 50mg+.

Is this your first cycle?

yea iv read 40-50 is the normal, but my mate took 20mg for a few weeks and his strength went through the roof so i think 30 would be enough as were almost same bodyweight.

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I'd agree with 2guns on this one. A basic low dose Test cycle would be the best.

Why do you want to go with the anavar cycle? Do you have concerns about using injectables?

i see....

no not scared of injecting just of sides.

what about 400mg test e for 10 weeks.

or 300mg and dbol 30mg a day be better ?

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I'd agree with 2guns on this one. A basic low dose Test cycle would be the best.

Why do you want to go with the anavar cycle? Do you have concerns about using injectables?

i see....

no not scared of injecting just of sides.

what about 400mg test e for 10 weeks.

or 300mg and dbol 30mg a day be better ?

decide yrself. there is no right way to do it.... latley ppl have been saying 15-16 week cycles on here, mine first cycle was half that duration and i got mean gains.

any gear will make u grow bro, just eat eat eat!!

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I'd agree with 2guns on this one. A basic low dose Test cycle would be the best.

Why do you want to go with the anavar cycle? Do you have concerns about using injectables?

i see....

no not scared of injecting just of sides.

what about 400mg test e for 10 weeks.

or 300mg and dbol 30mg a day be better ?

decide yrself. there is no right way to do it.... latley ppl have been saying 15-16 week cycles on here, mine first cycle was half that duration and i got mean gains.

any gear will make u grow bro, just eat eat eat!!

yup sweet

i think it was specter or optimass that said that but yea 16 weeks is more for the advanced user iim guessing.

and lol auck builder but i think i will keep the dosages lower for a few reasons.

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I'd just do 400-500mg test for 10 weeks.

Just run Test so you can see how your body reacts to it. If you take Dbol as well & you have any sides then you won't know what caused it.

Good idea to get some bloods done as well before you start.

10 weeks is good - easy to recover from.

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I'd just do 400-500mg test for 10 weeks.

Just run Test so you can see how your body reacts to it. If you take Dbol as well & you have any sides then you won't know what caused it.

Good idea to get some bloods done as well before you start.

10 weeks is good - easy to recover from.

sweet

ill post up a log and progress pics when i start, (start of december)

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ANAVAR

MYTHS

Myth #1 - Anavar will not suppress the HPTA.

False. Anavar, used in adequate dosages, will shut you down. To what degree you experience side effects of suppression (loss of libido, lethargy) is entirely dependent upon the individual and the dosages used.

Myth #2 - Var is a weak anabolic, and is not effective unless stacked with a more androgenic compound.

This could not be further from the truth. At dosages of 40mg a day and higher, anavar is incredibly effective at adding water free LBM. At around day 6-7, increased vascularity should become apparent (assuming your oxandrolone is legitimate in its dosing), and strength gains should start appearing around day 14.

If used during a clean bulk, gains of 10-20 pounds are possible. If cutting, you will maintain weight, or even put on 5-10 pounds (depending on the rate of fat loss/severity of diet). You will keep all of your gains with proper PCT.

Myth #3 - Anavar will not require any type of PCT.

This is one ive never understood. It's a pretty commonly known fact now that var is a suppressive compound. So why is it that some individuals still refuse to make a small investment in some clomid/nolva....this is your testicular function we're talking about. That said, PCT required for var is not as "heavy" as PCT for, say, a test/eq cycle. 15-20 days @ 50mg clomid should be sufficient.

LIBIDO

The only real issue of concern that i have found when running anavar alone is slight libido suppression. Anavar is suppressive enough to where you WILL feel a difference in your sex drive (and not for the better ) when using 40+mg a day. There are three options to counteract this.

#1 - Tribulus + Avena Sativa - Trib at 4-7g a day and Avena Sativa at 3-4g a day tend to help prevent any loss in performance or ability to get it up. However, using effective dosages is going to end up being as or more expensive than options 2 or 3...but its your call.

#2 - Proviron - If hairloss is an issue in your choice to use anavar, then you may want to avoid this one. But 25mg ED proviron, starting after week 2, will keep you rock hard. And it will help to harden up your muscles too .

#3 - Maintenance Test Dosage - Finally, you could choose to use testosterone to keep your willy in shape. At a dosage of around 200mg, split bi weekly, everything should keep running smoothly. Also, this will contribute to your gains much moreso than than options 1 or 2. I would keep nolva onhand on the off chance that you are severely gyno prone. Bloating should not be an issue at this dosage.

BENEFITS

Anavar is a badass drug. This is why.

#1 - Vascularity

Oxandrolone will make you veiny as all hell. And quickly. Look out for brand new bulging forearms veins by around day 6. If you are following a cutting regimen, expect new spider webs in your chest, shoulders and quads by around day 21.

#2 - Pumps

When on var, the pumps are constant. Bored sitting in class/at work? Do some unweighted calf raises. After about three minutes, your calves will be ready to pop. Youll be doing something like drinking a cup of water, and after a minute of holding it, your bi will be completely full and pumped. You may have to cut some sets short in the gym due to the painful pumpage.

#3 - Strength

Even when cutting, you can expect new strength gains every workout after about day 14-21.

#4 - Fat Loss

Anavar has been shown to contribute to accelerated fat loss in both subcutaneous and visceral fat, concentrated effects in the abdomen and thigh area. And if youve used the drug, you can attest to this...if you cant sport the 6-8 pack look on var, its not gonna happen .

CYCLE

Anavar should be run @ at least 40mg a day to see all of the benefits it offers. Dosages upwards of 80mg have been shown to exhibit diminishing returns. Also, i cant imagine the intensity of the pumps at that kind of dosage.

LIVER PROTECTION

Anavar is a 17 Alpha Alkylated steroid, and is toxic. It has been shown to be less toxic than other orals, and is even used as liver treatment for recovering alcoholics. Still, i would limit my time using it to 8 weeks, 10 at the most.

It would be beneficial to you liver to use several different OTC supplements during, and perhaps after your cycle. A few preventive measures never hurt anyone .

LIPID PROTECTION

Anavar isnt going to kill your cholesterol levels like some drugs (winny being one of the worst), but it may put your LDL/HDL profiles outside of the normal range. There are a few things that help, but as long as your not using 60+mg daily or running it for more than 10 weeks, i would just use flax...

p.s...

I DID NOT WRITE THIS AND ITS NOT MY OPINIONS, BUT WILL POST IT UP FOR U TO READ ANYWAYS

2GUNS

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Judging from that excerpt 2 guns posted, Anavar sounds like a good beginners cycle, albeit not as effective as stacked with test.

So why do you guys think he shouldnt use it for a "Beginning" cycle?

Isnt it a good way to "start" with super supplements?

And how toxic is it, considering it is an oral?

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Judging from that excerpt 2 guns posted, Anavar sounds like a good beginners cycle, albeit not as effective as stacked with test.

So why do you guys think he shouldnt use it for a "Beginning" cycle?

Isnt it a good way to "start" with super supplements?

And how toxic is it, considering it is an oral?

yes thanks varven thats more what i was looking for when i created this thread.... didnt want to get into the whole test always debate but knew it would...

seems to be a good way to ease into it to me.

as said above it is liver toxic but not to same degree as others such as dbol however i would still run some milk thistle with it.

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how much muscle/or weight on average would you gain from your 1st test cycle ? by the sounds of things im missing out on good growth...rats...

it depends on a number of things.

my first cycle gained 8kg kept 6.5kg

week 1,2,3: 1ml sus250/week

week 4,5: 2ml sus250/week

week 6,7,8: 1ml sus250/week

no pct.

ate burger king, nachos and rice, packets of chips etc etc, lived on protein shakes lol got strong as f*ck, kicked outta my gym, swole as and loved it!!

doesnt quite work like that now though haha

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