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Nolvadex, What doseage after a test cycle.

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mrgeeky Senior member

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Can any one point me in the direction of what dosage of nolvadex is required after a 6 week cycle of test. How much test was I using, around 100 to 200mgs a day, but it was a troche so no idea how much is absorbed of that. I do know when I stopped taking it, I crashed. Been off it for a couple of weeks and feel like shit. Any advice on Nolvadex doseage?

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I'd have to agree with Irongame in that you haven't done your research at all on this cycle. You should have planned our PCT before you started this cycle.

I would recommend ceasing use immediately & do not start again until you have done all of your research!

In this case I would say a 4 week PCT of 40-20-20-20 is a starting point. Like you say you have no idea of how much of the Test you have been taking has been absorbed.

You need to be more responsible with your use mrgeeky. :naughty:

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I'm probably opening a can of worms ... but ... there is more evidence to show that your estrogen level rebounds significantly after a cycle of Nolv ... alot of other contrary side effects ... you need to read more before going this way!

excerpt ... Nolvadex has been shown to behave as estrogens in skeletal muscles (5). This is a very good thing for every athletes except bodybuilders. You see, estrogens protect muscle cells from the training-induced damages (5-6). It means that one can train more without damaging his muscles. Recovery will also be much faster. But for bodybuilders, the training-induced damages are a key ingredient to trigger growth. Nolvadex will therefore reduce the muscle building effects of resistance training.

As for the impact of Tamoxifen on IGF-1, it simply demonstrates another estrogen-like action of Nolvadex. By rendering the liver less sensitive to growth hormone (probably by reducing the liver density of GH receptors), estrogens and tamoxifen diminish the production of IGF-1. This action of estrogens explains why women produce less IGF-1 than men even though the have a higher GH level.

I quite like this one .... Nolvadex will make you fatter especially in the lower body area

source: http://mesomorphosis.com/articles/dhark ... lvadex.htm

There are plenty of scientically proven articles that discount the use of Nolvadex ... you may end up making it worse. Rem also that not everyone will get the same side effects.

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I'm probably opening a can of worms ... but ... there is more evidence to show that your estrogen level rebounds significantly after a cycle of Nolv ... alot of other contrary side effects ... you need to read more before going this way!

excerpt ... Nolvadex has been shown to behave as estrogens in skeletal muscles (5). This is a very good thing for every athletes except bodybuilders. You see, estrogens protect muscle cells from the training-induced damages (5-6). It means that one can train more without damaging his muscles. Recovery will also be much faster. But for bodybuilders, the training-induced damages are a key ingredient to trigger growth. Nolvadex will therefore reduce the muscle building effects of resistance training.

As for the impact of Tamoxifen on IGF-1, it simply demonstrates another estrogen-like action of Nolvadex. By rendering the liver less sensitive to growth hormone (probably by reducing the liver density of GH receptors), estrogens and tamoxifen diminish the production of IGF-1. This action of estrogens explains why women produce less IGF-1 than men even though the have a higher GH level.

I quite like this one .... Nolvadex will make you fatter especially in the lower body area

source: http://mesomorphosis.com/articles/dhark ... lvadex.htm

There are plenty of scientically proven articles that discount the use of Nolvadex ... you may end up making it worse. Rem also that not everyone will get the same side effects.

This is why you only take Nolva for a short period when estrogen is at supraphysiological levels and testosterone is diminishing, and why something like letro or arimadex post cycle is not such a great idea as it will bring estrogen near zero which is not what we want at all. Its about controling massive amounts of estrogen as test falls not eliminating it.

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2guns, yep I do. Went back and looked on the packet. It says 200mgs.

I actually hated taking the crap, so some days I took only half. Some days I would only take a quarter. A quarter is 50mgs. Until I learnt how to use it with out some of its side effects then it was on to the full block of 200mgs all the time. So doesage was all over the place till I learnt to use it properly.

I had thought about Nolvadex and had done the reasearch but the doc turned me down first time around, and I didnt really want to buy any underground stuff. Always worried about whats actually in the under ground stuff.

Anyways, went to Doc the other day, and gave him copies of research that I had done on Tamoxifen and why it was needed and explained I would buy underground if necassary. . He wasnt too happy about prescribing it, but gave in. If i go to him with crashing test levels and high estrogen levels he has to help. Especially if I have the proof (reasearch) to back it up.

Hey Marcus, thank you very much for the dosage levels. Really appreciated.

By the way, when taking the full block of test, my test levels were at 96 I think it was from memory. Same as one of the bodybuilders in here was reported as having on a cycle. I think if the Health clinics that dish the test troches out were ever investigated, they would get busted for having such high levels of test in them, not that I am compaining. lol.

One thing I do need to know. When starting on Nolvadex, when do you start, immediately the day you stop taking the Testosterone?

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JUST FOR EVERYONES INFORMATION: THIS IS A PRIME EXAMPLE OF HOW TO NOT GO ABOUT THIS KIND OF THING

its also i good example of a debate ppl were having with BLUTO in an earlier thread, when BLUTO said some people do 1 cycle and it can stuff them up.... well he was referring to these kind of scenarios with no planning and no reasearch done wat so ever

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JUST FOR EVERYONES INFORMATION: THIS IS A PRIME EXAMPLE OF HOW TO NOT GO ABOUT THIS KIND OF THING

its also i good example of a debate ppl were having with BLUTO in an earlier thread, when BLUTO said some people do 1 cycle and it can stuff them up.... well he was referring to these kind of scenarios with no planning and no reasearch done wat so ever

yup ditto

and as for the nolva, it depends on what type of test you were on as too how long after you have finished till the nolva needs to be started.

but in your case id say start straight away because you said it has already been a couple of weeks since you stopped the test.

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Your right 2 guns - but lets not scare anyone coming into the forum of not wanting to post their situations for fear of feeling a bit foolish.

One thing that frustrates me about the federations and sporting bodies in NZ and internationally is whilst they shun the use of these types of products they don't openly educate those on safeer options and use. It's fair enough to have a ban but when your in a sport that has obvious alignments to their use, then I think you have a social responsibility to ensure athletes are properly inform and have access to good information. That way they wont find themselves taking risks.

Thats my rant anyway ...

Geeky - your doing the right thing in asking. At least now you can start developing a more informed opinion of your own. IMO - I think you should take a break and put a lot more time into talking to others in your gym that are on. Get someone whos been there to show you a safer path. And read ... a lot!

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