NZFBB Drug Testing update

[MasterTel]

Information in regards to the DFSNZ (Drug Free Sport NZ) Anti-Doping Policy Vs the redraft NZFBB Anti-Doping Rules (Policy) is now available by visiting http://www.nzfbb.org.nz.

If you are a member of the NZFBB and wish to request a copy of the DFSNZ Anti-Doping Policy you can do so by emailing the NZFBB Secretary on nzfbb@xtra.co.nz.

The proposed NZFBB Anti-Doping Rules (Policy) will be tabled and discussed at the NZFBB AGM on the 10th August. The AGM Notices have been sent out to all members of the NZFBB over a month ago. If you are a member and did not receive this notice please contact the NZFBB Secretary.

[biggurl27]

Thanks MasterTel. Interesting read.

[2guns]

thank you MT

[Gym rat]

Thanks very much Mastertel I thought it was very intresting.

[samoan_muscle]

Yes thank you mastertel

[Cronus]

You read that shit and its no wonder the NZFBB executive come under so much criticism from the members. Half the exec are hypocrites and to chickenshit to come out and say what they think, the other half ride around on their moral high horse with their heads firmly planted up their asses.

" As a proud and respected

organization it is our professional duty to uphold any Anti-Doping policy adopted by us, to this end we pledge just that. For those who chose to ignore the NZFBB stringent

stance it would be well advised to re evaluate your future ambitions and successes in the

sport. The NZFBB is confident that continued drug testing will keep all our

current and future athletes inspired and loyal.""

Yada yada f*%** yada.

Reading between the lines they are going to drop SPARC and the newly formed DFSNZ and do their own testing.... about bloody time!!!

[samoan_muscle]

Reading between the lines they are going to drop SPARC and the newly formed DFSNZ and do their own testing.... about bloody time!!!

How did you come to that conclusion?

[IronGame]

Thanks for posting that MT, although to be honest nothing is any clearer to me now than it was before??? oh well we will soon see what comes of all this I guess.

[Cronus]

Reading between the lines they are going to drop SPARC and the newly formed DFSNZ and do their own testing.... about bloody time!!!

How did you come to that conclusion?

Just my take on it. As many of the exec have time invested on some athletes and the new rules DFSNZ won't suit.

I would agree with IG, it really says nothing, its rhetoric for the masses

[MasterTel]

You read that shit and its no wonder the NZFBB executive come under so much criticism from the members. Half the exec are hypocrites and to chickenshit to come out and say what they think, the other half ride around on their moral high horse with their heads firmly planted up their asses.

Is that right, Cronus? So which half does that put me in? And what about other Exec members like Mike Debenham, Brian McFarlane, Phil Kuklinski, Willie Walker etc? Perhaps you should think before you post such rubbish on here! :roll:

[samoan_muscle]

You read that shit and its no wonder the NZFBB executive come under so much criticism from the members. Half the exec are hypocrites and to chickenshit to come out and say what they think, the other half ride around on their moral high horse with their heads firmly planted up their asses.

Is that right, Cronus? So which half does that put me in? And what about other Exec members like Mike Debenham, Brian McFarlane, Phil Kuklinski, Willie Walker etc? Perhaps you should think before you post such rubbish on here! :roll:

I would have to agree with MT...

I too, would be interested to know which half you place him in

[2guns]

You read that shit and its no wonder the NZFBB executive come under so much criticism from the members. Half the exec are hypocrites and to chickenshit to come out and say what they think, the other half ride around on their moral high horse with their heads firmly planted up their asses.

lol

[Cronus]

You read that shit and its no wonder the NZFBB executive come under so much criticism from the members. Half the exec are hypocrites and to chickenshit to come out and say what they think, the other half ride around on their moral high horse with their heads firmly planted up their asses.

Is that right, Cronus? So which half does that put me in? And what about other Exec members like Mike Debenham, Brian McFarlane, Phil Kuklinski, Willie Walker etc? Perhaps you should think before you post such rubbish on here! :roll:

MT you can put youself in either category it really makes no difference to me.

Im entitled to my opinion (and that is what it is my personal view) just because you may not like what I have written it doesn't make it rubbish

Peace

[Matrix]

One thing i've found over the years is that everyone has an opinion on everything but very few actually put their hands up to help out when it comes time to do the work involved to invoke change.

It's like voting, if you don't vote, do you have the right to complain?

Perhaps some of the people that repeatedly have negative comments regarding the NZFBB and it's volunteer workers should try helping out at the shows or at least attending the AGM's or lobbying a NZFBB rep to have their view point/opinions heard.

Anyone can pick holes in an organisation from a far (internet), but it takes alot more effort and character to channel negative thoughts and feelings about that organisation into something positive.

If enough people on this site feel that strongly about the NZFBB's testing policies, how about some of these people put their hands up and formally petition the NZFBB committee for change rather than trash talking the exec's on the internet.

At least then, peoples opinions will be heard in the correct forum, rather than the continual backbiting which IMO leads to even more of a "Them and Us situation", where the people belonging to and competing think they have no say in the decision making process.

On another note, I do not no Master Tel and have never met him, but from what I have read from his posts he seems like a pretty balanced and fair guy, who has the best interests of the sport at heart.It also appears that he gives up a fair share of his time/effort to help the sport.

Perhaps if there were more people like him, there would be a bit more humility on this site, after all if everyone who helps out gets their heads bitten off by haters, their wont be anyone to run the a Federation.

Cronus, Have you spoken to the commitee to voice your opinion on their testing policies, Based on how strongly you worded your post i'm assuming you have?

[biggurl27]

I agree, well said Matrix :clap:

[poos_n_wees]

You read that shit and its no wonder the NZFBB executive come under so much criticism from the members. Half the exec are hypocrites and to chickenshit to come out and say what they think, the other half ride around on their moral high horse with their heads firmly planted up their asses.

Wow Cronus, tell us what you really think :shock:

You should head to the NZFBB AGM on August 10th.. I'm guessing its open to members of the NZFBB too? Maybe you'd get your answers there :nod:

[samoan_muscle]

I agree, well said Matrix :clap:

I also mostly agree with Matrix :nod:

[Big_J]

Im going to do as gym rat would and agree :pfft:

[MasterTel]

Thanks very much for those words of support, Matrix, but I doubt a gutless wonder like Cronus would comprehend what you are saying!

MT you can put youself in either category it really makes no difference to me.

Im entitled to my opinion (and that is what it is my personal view) just because you may not like what I have written it doesn't make it rubbish

Peace

As I expected, Cronus, you have nothing to back up your ridiculous accusations against me and those highly respected and honourable fellow Executives you feel the need to attack - other than a pathetic "I'm entitled to my opinion"! The only thing you seem entitled to or capable of is making a total idiot of yourself. You're not the only one one this site to behave like this - one of them has already shown he finds all your drivel quite funny! And what you have written is rubbish, unless you can back it up which of course you cant!

I agree with poos_and_wees - come along to the AGM and introduce yourself to me and the other Execs and enlighten us with proof of your accusations!? Or how about offer to join the Exec or do something useful for the NZFBB? If not then you are clearly a gutless wonder .. and that will not just be "my opinion" but clear proof! :nod:

[Cronus]

Matrix, you make some very good points, respect. In answer to your question yes I have spoken to some of the past and existing exec about this matter.

I agree that my comments were a little harsh.

I find it interesting that when anyone gives a strong critical opinion against a person or organisation on this site they are labeled a hater. Why is that?

In some instances criticism is warranted and in this case my criticism is aimed at the executives inability to make any sort of decision in regards to the NZFBB drug testing policy, this should have been sorted months if not years ago. Everyone is ducking and hiding not wanting to upset anyone. Where is the leadership? Case in point, the article in question says nothing in respect to direction or decision, it just fobs it off again!

This is a perfect forum for venting ones strongly held opinions and beliefs don't take things to hart.

[2guns]

You're not the only one one this site to behave like this - one of them has already shown he finds all your drivel quite funny!

hey mate calm down! no need to bring me into this we had our little pm to each other and sorted it so its finished. i posted LOL meaning here we go again, obvuioulsy u took it as i was supporting cronus.

im on no1s side for this one, cronus has his opinion and has voiced it. so dnt bring me into it

[Matrix]

Hi Cronus,

Yes I agree with you about the importance of having your opinion, in fact as the old saying goes "If you stand for nothing, you'll fall for anything".

I differ in opinion on how you voice this to get your point across however.

IMO if you make personal attacks and references to people it will undermine your credibility as the message you are trying to get across will be seen by the recepiant as a personal attack, regardless of what you have to say.

As you've mentioned, your words were a bit harsh, and we've all said things in haste that have offended people,(ive done this many times) especially on topics that we feel strongly about.

You've mentioned that you have spoken to past and present execs regarding the NZFBB's testing policies which is great. However I feel that a formal tabling of these suggestions from yourself and/or other interested parties(and I believe there are many on this sight with opinions on this) would be the way to go.

At the AGM you have a guarenteed audience with all/most of the exec's so this is the perfect forum for you to make your point.

What ive found from my time on the commitee of my football club is that in general the people who did the most complaining behind the scenes about the state of the Club, it's facilities, the lack of bar staff(volunteers), the fees and bar prices,the lack of socials etc. also never turned up to the working bees, socials, AGM,s , commitee meetings, club nights etc.

In other words, they all had strong opinions on how the club could be better run but never participated in the things that made it run or voiced these opinions in the proper context and to the people who could make the changes.

My message to everyone that wants a change/clarification of the NZFBB's policies would be to get together(this sites great for that) and get a representative(s) to bring these points up at the AGM.

If this person found that they enjoyed being in a position to bring about change then they might think of volunteering to be on the Commitee/Exec.

Whats the worst thing that could happen? They might lose a few nights and weekends helping out the sport that they love.

[MasterTel]

I find it interesting that when anyone gives a strong critical opinion against a person or organisation on this site they are labeled a hater. Why is that?

Having a strong critical opinion is fine, but as Matrix says, the way you convey it is far from acceptable or constructive. And it was YOU putting some pretty spiteful "labels" on not just some but all of the Executive!

In some instances criticism is warranted and in this case my criticism is aimed at the executives inability to make any sort of decision in regards to the NZFBB drug testing policy, this should have been sorted months if not years ago. Everyone is ducking and hiding not wanting to upset anyone. Where is the leadership? Case in point, the article in question says nothing in respect to direction or decision, it just fobs it off again!

You should get your facts straight and actually read the nzfbb homepage properly. It clearly says "The proposed NZFBB Anti-Doping Rules (Policy) will be tabled and discussed at the NZFBB AGM on the 10th August." i.e. a new policy has been prepared and will be presented at the AGM. To get to this point has been a very involved and much discussed process by the Executive. If we (NZFBB Executive) did not care about our members and not notice the problems with the new DFSNZ policy, we would have just signed it and left us in a vunerable position. It may have taken months (not years!) to reach this point, but it will be worth the wait and the effort. And if you really want to know what happens at Exec meetings, then why not get nominated to join us? Or, Cronus - is it easier to be a "big" person, hide behind a pseudonym and spout off without knowing what you are talking about?

Matrix - that's spot on about a common theme with sporting organisations that the one's who are always complaining or making negative comments are also the last people to get off their lazy backsides and do something about it! I have experienced it first-hand with the NZFBB and many years ago as Club Manager of a cricket club. Plus we (Executives) don't get paid for what we do, nor do we expect special treatment or gratitude - but we don't expect to be abused for no good reason!

[IronGame]

The AGM sounds possitive, hope we can get it cleared up for everyones sake. It can be a very delicate subject and there will always be critics either way.

[Gym rat]

I agree with Irongame the AGM dose sound very possivtive lets all hope thinghs will be cleared up for everyone sake.I am in favour of keeping the drug testing in the NZFBB it has vote of full support.