reckn im ready to gear up?

[2guns]

So when you stop taking AAS and your natural test levels return to a level much lower than normal, this isnt a big deal?. You now have less test, less sex drive, less strength/recovery ability than before you started. Less than a normal male of that age. You could end up worse off than before you started.

this would be temporary based on my argument that taking for 5 years sensibly then stopping wouldnt cause u serious problems.

i was taking about tikalosh's case as thats wat this threads about not a pro-bodybuilder.

im not saying u dnt know yr shit bluto, we just have different opinions

[nzmusclemonster]

nzmm, can u be more clear with wat u are saying.... are u saying u shouldnt use until u have reached yr peak? (in yr opinion mid to late 30s)

if so id disagree

I was meaning whats wrong with a bit of patience. If you wait until 25 to start juicing, thats at least 10 years that you got to be in your prime for bodybuilding. Many people don't consider this before they start:

If your gonna try AAS, be prepaired to be using it for the rest of your life.

Unless you really do your homework on juice and use proper PCT, then then you could really mess up your Endocrine System.

[Bluto]

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[eatme]

haha! Juice...? I just have to say Cranberry juice is my favourite!

Why don't you give that a go :pfft:

[auck_builder]

haha! Juice...? I just have to say Cranberry juice is my favourite!

Why don't you give that a go :pfft:

u 4 real?

[biomax]

haha! Juice...? I just have to say Cranberry juice is my favourite!

Why don't you give that a go :pfft:

I prefer the "trenberry" juice thanx.

Maybe you should try the "primo berry", they say it's very good juice for a lady :pfft:

To the max

Bio

[eatme]

I am 4 real auck_builder. Real hot!

Seriously... I am only kidding!

Totally all for the juice :wink:

Maka da man bigger and better and a whole lot hotter!

[Optimass]

Most of the time, I believe you can tell someone that hasn't trained long before going on. Everyone that has contributed to this thread has a lot of compelling arguments. IMO it's not nessesarily a question of age as much as duration of training.

I started out in the gym in '95, trained for 16 months and place 2nd in my first show at 85kg 4%bf. Subsequently focused on gaining weight I peaked off season the following year at 122kg - and dieted back to 89kg at 7% 3rd place . Bummed out at being cleaned up at a "natural" show, by guys that were obviuosly using, I took a full year off competition and decided to go on stan (40mls over 4 weeks) i gained 7kg off it! This was quite abnormal compared to my mates who failed to get as much a 2-3kg. I noticed a significant change in the shape of my muscle pretty much straight away - went alot more angular and sharper, ropier looking muscle - instead of round and curved (Not sure if that is the best description).

My philosophy is start small - you don't win a prize for taking the most, only gaining the most with the lowest risk. And if you can do it on 1ml of sust 250 per week (Or what ever), then milk it for all its worth. The more you put in the more you risk. I personally don't eat any different to normal and still grow faster than guys taking 2-3 times more eating 4000 cal ... lucky I guess or maybe it's my bodies tolerance is lower as a result of not increasing too fast over the years.

If you have to ask the question bro - you're not ready.

Stats - Biggest offseason weight 132kg .... Leanest 4%bf (my first show) .... heaviset at show 99kg on stage .... Bench 240kg 5 reps / Squat 240kg 8 reps / Deadlift 280kg 4 reps / Leg press 540kg 8 reps ... Training for 14 years total.

[mr natural]

hmmm who are you optimass?

[2guns]

he is optimass