reckn im ready to gear up?

[tikalosh]

i'll just stick up some stats, all criticism appreciated

20yo

1.88m

3.5yrs exp

Bulking/cutting cycles: started at 75kg->91kg->85 (end of rugby season)-> 100kg at 19%bf (max weight ever)-> 85kg->91kg (current)

lift stats (1RM)

BP - 92.5kg (chest probably my weakest body part)

DL - 160kg

Squat - 135kg (A2G)

legpress - 360kg at 2 reps

Shoulder press - 35kg dumbs at 6 reps

My 'proudest' lift - overhead dumbell tricep press 60kg dumbell for 4 reps whilst on creatine

bicep curls - 27.5kg for 6 reps

supps

ON 100% whey and occasional creatine cycle

diet

6-7 meals/day

300g clean carbs (oats, kumara, vogel bread, yogurt) mostly earlier in day and before workouts

400g protein (tuna, shakes, LF milk, eggs, steak, chicken breast and biltong!! atm (official safa mus food)

60-80g fat (flax, fish, PB)

prolly around 3000 cals/day

Is this a good base to start 'using'

[tikalosh]

also i wana add atm it seems my bodies pretty stagnant, ive worked ALOT on my diet and am trying to get up to 100kg by end of year, if i end up at 19% bf at that weight ill REALLY consider juice.

[sponge]

what's your current weight?

[2guns]

its 91kg sponge

[Paul]

My 'proudest' lift - overhead dumbell tricep press 60kg dumbell for 4 reps whilst on creatine

:shock: :clap:

[sponge]

its 91kg sponge

ahh im going blind

[2guns]

lol @ paul :pfft:

paul, wat is yr "proudest lift"?

[Luigi]

yes......... go for it man !!

what are you thinking of taking ??

[2guns]

ill be straight up, this is a shit question anyway that u have asked. wats am i ready mean? and how does one tell u if yr ready or not.

if u posted all those stats to try show that u have reached yr full potential, well u havnt yr small and yr weak! theres heaps of room for improvement naturally for u, but that goes for everyone b4 they used myself included.... but theres no point waiting to reach yr genetic potential coz thatll never happen.

and dnt listen to those ppl who say if u start too soon ull never know training and wat sorta hard work and sweat it takes to get gains.... geez those ppl are just losers who think they are training hard and dnt gain jack! of course u have to work hard either way

so make up yr own mind, dnt ask others if they think u should use.

its yr body

[Flex]

supps

ON 100% whey and occasional creatine cycle

diet

6-7 meals/day

300g clean carbs (oats, kumara, vogel bread, yogurt) mostly earlier in day and before workouts

400g protein (tuna, shakes, LF milk, eggs, steak, chicken breast and biltong!! atm (official safa mus food)

60-80g fat (flax, fish, PB)

prolly around 3000 cals/day

Is this a good base to start 'using'

Personally I'd say no, one reason being that if u start too soon ull never know training and wat sorta hard work and sweat it takes to get gains......

I might sound a little anal here but you might want to learn a little more about nutrition first too

300g Carbs = 1200 Calories

400g protein = 1600 calories (a bit of over kill at 91kg)

60-80g of fat = 540-720 calories

Total - 3340-3520 calories not probably around 3000

[Marcus]

Personally I'd say no, one reason being that if u start too soon ull never know training and wat sorta hard work and sweat it takes to get gains......

ROFL :grin:

Have you done any research on AAS? There's a lot to learn before you start.

What's your bodyfat?

[2guns]

Personally I'd say no, one reason being that if u start too soon ull never know training and wat sorta hard work and sweat it takes to get gains......

lol.... exactly!!! :pfft:

[mr natural]

why don't you try a natural test booster,at 20 you should have good levels of natural test, im sure you could make some more decent gains as it sounds like you have made some already.

[Luigi]

why dont you set yourself a goal, say when you get to a 500kg total for the big 3 lifts then you gear up, you still wont be at your potential but at least you will have a decent base built up naturally.

[Big_J]

Pictures??

Otherwise go hard :grin:

[Matrix]

IMO your current calories (approx 3070) are way to low.

At 91 kg you would want to bring your calories up in stages to around 20 cal/lb or approx. 4000cals.

Currently you are below a weight maintenance level providing most of your current weight is lean mass(not fat) and you are training hard 4-5 times pw!

Ask any of the big guys on this site(2 guns, Mr Natural, Samoan Muscle etc..) and they will proably all tell you that they are big eaters in the mass building phase.

Steroids or no steroids, your body wont grow unless you are in a calorie surplus/Positive nitrogen balance, which means regular largish meals at 2.3-3 hour intervals, real hard, consistant training and plenty of rest.

As 2g said, it's a personal choice which it is, but i'd sort your eating out first.

Try getting your skinfolds done first to show how much lean mass and fat you are carrying, increase your clean calories in stages(say 300per week until you are up 1000) and look for a 300-500gram weight gain per week(mainly muscle), then you are on the right track.

Its hard to make a decision when your current eating isn't supporting growth.

[2guns]

there are heapsa guys on this site way bigger than me lol.

but yeah u need to eat lots

[tikalosh]

Cheers boys,

so far on my current diet which is actually at around 3500cals (last figure was gestimate) ive gained around 7kg but its tapering off now so ill prolly up the cals to 3800.

oi luigi u reckn 400g prot is too much, i just keep it up coz its the most anabolic of the three macros?, and would rather get my extra cals from protein. is this right?

as for my bodyfat its now at 16% which was at 14.3% before the bulking at 85 kg. i think this equates to around 4-4.5kg gain in lean mass, this took around 6 months. so lean mass is at around 76.5kg. is this too much fat gained?

i wanna get my lean mass to around 80 maybe even 85kg and go with luigis advice and up my 3 lift total as much as possible.

how many cals are you larger oaks eating?

[Matrix]

Yeah sorry about that 2guns, I was only vouching for the ones that i've seen in person/competing etc.

Ive found it makes sense to stay fairly lean if your long term goal is competing, because it can take a long time and alot of energy draining cardio to get the extra fat off.

15%BF is a good goal limit to your bodyfat IMO.

To help keep your BF levels down you could periodize your training and do 4-8 weeks of Bulking(4000+ cals) followed by 4 weeks of Cutting(10-25% calorie defecit and cardio/intervals following workouts and/or in mornings).

This would involve changing your ratios of Carbs to proteins each phase as you need increased protein mainly when carbs are restricted, not when they are in abundance.

When your carbs are high(during mass gain phase) 1-1.25g of protein per pound should be fine (200-250g). However when they are restricted(during the cutting phase) they could be upped to 1.5+g per pound depending on how low you drop your carbs.

IMO Getting your three lifts up is a fine goal if you are powerlifting or in a specific strength gaining phase.

With powerlifting intensity(weight used) is the most important variable, however if your goal is to add lean bodymass(bodybuilding) then Volume is more important.

You can look at your total tonnage/reps per workout as a guide during your mass building phase. Science shows us that effective results during this phase come from more moderate intensities(weight used) and high total volume(plenty of sets in the 8-15 rep range).This is a scientifically sound way to train when carbs are in abundance, When they are restricted then you would look to up your intensity and lower the volume.

[Luigi]

too be honest dude im weak and small as f*ck compared to others on this site

however im around 83kgs and my lifts are still more than yours

squat:160

dead:170

bench:105

i do plan to use one day too but i think you should take in the advice from the more experienced members that are giving it too you.

dont be too eager to rush into things, i would say use a good creatine supp and a test booster first and get your strength up a bit before you decide to use,

and yes i think 400g protein is way too much for your current training.weight etc.

i would have to say you would be best to take a few natural supps and train/diet hard for at least 3-6 months and then have another think about taking gear because it sounds like your not ready yet.

probly not what you wanna hear but i think it would be best if you did listen.

[IronGame]

IMO your current calories (approx 3070) are way to low.

At 91 kg you would want to bring your calories up in stages to around 20 cal/lb or approx. 4000cals.

Currently you are below a weight maintenance level providing most of your current weight is lean mass(not fat) and you are training hard 4-5 times pw

Matrix I have to disagree, you don't know if he is below maintenance, there is no rule for weight vs cal intake, if he is gaining weight he is above maintanence end of story.

And to the OP this is all on you , you decide, If you think your ready then go ahead you don't need anyone elses approval.

[Matrix]

True, if he is gaining weight he is above maintenance Iron Game, however the figures he initially gave don't support this based on his weight and activity level

supps

ON 100% whey and occasional creatine cycle

diet

6-7 meals/day

300g clean carbs (oats, kumara, vogel bread, yogurt) mostly earlier in day and before workouts

400g protein (tuna, shakes, LF milk, eggs, steak, chicken breast and biltong!! atm (official safa mus food)

60-80g fat (flax, fish, PB)

prolly around 3000 cals/day

I do agree with you though Iron Game regarding the personal choice issue.

[IronGame]

True, if he is gaining weight he is above maintenance Iron Game, however the figures he initially gave don't support this based on his weight and activity level[:quote=Flex]

supps

ON 100% whey and occasional creatine cycle

diet

6-7 meals/day

300g clean carbs (oats, kumara, vogel bread, yogurt) mostly earlier in day and before workouts

400g protein (tuna, shakes, LF milk, eggs, steak, chicken breast and biltong!! atm (official safa mus food)

60-80g fat (flax, fish, PB)

prolly around 3000 cals/day

I do agree with you though Iron Game regarding the personal choice issue.

Thats what I mean though "his itital figures dont support this" if someone is gaining weight on 1000cal they are above maintanence and if someone (say with the same stats) is on 7000cal and stagnant they are on maintanence regardless of whats on paper.

Anyway end of hijack

[Marcus]

It is his personal choice but he is asking for advice here.

I think the most common mistake novice AAS users make is they don't do enough research before they start their cycle. They don't truly know what they are injecting into their body & as a result if something goes wrong they don't know how to deal with it.

My advice is make an informed decision. Scour the internet for information & go from there. Your first step was posting on this forum asking the question. Now you need to take some time in learning about AAS & whether it is the right time for you to be using it.

You've put on some good size so far. That natural muscle you've built is your foundation. The more natural muscle you can put on before you use AAS the better.

I think the next step for you is hold onto the size you have built & get your bodyfat down to 10-12%. Then I would do another clean natural bulk without letting your bodyfat get over 14 - 15%. Like the others have said at 20 your natural test levels will be high, so providing you are dedicated in your diet & training you shouldn't have a problem putting on muscle.

[IronGame]

So tikalosh, if you were to do a cycle what might it consist of?