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American Presidential Election *uhoh*

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I'm planning on moving to America next year for 4 years, so this might actually affect me in some way, but I don't honestly particularly care.

Let me put it this way.

You got a politically inexperienced lawyer, who is married to a lawyer who is by all accounts an unpatriotic cow.

On the other hand, you got a true war hero married to a woman who owns a beer distributorship.

Is this even a contest?

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a true war hero who changes his stance on torture and votes against benefits for veterans but thats cool because the benefit he gets isnt needed with the millions he earns on his wifes salary?

and Michelle didnt know her till i watched her talk a few times see the vid above and I do not think she is a cold lawyer or at all unpatriotic instead I think she is an amazing role model, intelligent articulate and beautiful.

Im still looking for qualities in Ms Mccain that i can respect beyond been a beer heiress

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I'm not about to argue with you, as I said, I don't particularly care.

Intelligent women don't however say things like, "this is the first time in my life I've been proud to be an American." She might single-handedly of lost the election based on that comment, depending on whether the media decide to give it much airtime.

I'm interested to know, queen, why you care about this election?

BTW, calling McCain pro-life is pretty much a misnomer. The guy will hardly be pro-life in the sense Bush was, vetoing the partial-birth abortion bill. Sure, he'll propose abstinence education, he's old school. No comment on that.

McCain is a good example of why the religious right needs to wake up and realise that all their political activism ultimately acheives very little. Despite decades of pushing for pro-life, anti-homosexual marriage Republican candidates, they're now left with McCain who could hardly be considered the poster boy for their cause.

On the other hand, you have Obama who supports partial birth abortion *coughinfanticidecough* on the basis that he wants "his daughters to have the same rights as his sons." Which basically means, if a guy gets a girl pregnant, he can run away and do his own thing. Therefore Obama wants the women to be able to go to college or get rid of her baby if it doesn't suit her. I somehow doubt congress will let Obama make too many changes in this area though.

This has nothing to do with rape victims getting pregnant and wanting an abortion, Obama supports killing babies if it doesn't suit the mother. That kind of language, despite his eloquence, wouldn't even fly in NZ.

To which I simply have to say, if you get pregnant and want an aborion, have an ultrasound first.

disclaimer: I have friends who have had abortions, some multiple times. In all instances, they admit it has caused them far more mental damage than if they'd had the child out of wedlock.

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I'm not about to argue with you, as I said, I don't particularly care.

Intelligent women don't however say things like, "this is the first time in my life I've been proud to be an American." She might single-handedly of lost the election based on that comment, depending on whether the media decide to give it much airtime.

I'm interested to know, queen, why you care about this election?

BTW, calling McCain pro-life is pretty much a misnomer. The guy will hardly be pro-life in the sense Bush was, vetoing the partial-birth abortion bill. Sure, he'll propose abstinence education, he's old school. No comment on that.

McCain is a good example of why the religious right needs to wake up and realise that all their political activism ultimately acheives very little. Despite decades of pushing for pro-life, anti-homosexual marriage Republican candidates, they're now left with McCain who could hardly be considered the poster boy for their cause.

On the other hand, you have Obama who supports partial birth abortion *coughinfanticidecough* on the basis that he wants "his daughters to have the same rights as his sons." Which basically means, if a guy gets a girl pregnant, he can run away and do his own thing. Therefore Obama wants the women to be able to go to college or get rid of her baby if it doesn't suit her. I somehow doubt congress will let Obama make too many changes in this area though.

This has nothing to do with rape victims getting pregnant and wanting an abortion, Obama supports killing babies if it doesn't suit the mother. That kind of language, despite his eloquence, wouldn't even fly in NZ.

To which I simply have to say, if you get pregnant and want an aborion, have an ultrasound first.

disclaimer: I have friends who have had abortions, some multiple times. In all instances, they admit it has caused them far more mental damage than if they'd had the child out of wedlock.

hmmm your information is a little errrr salty I mean faulty...

How the f*ck is it a human life if you can't babble some gibberish while in the womb? Almost every creature walking the earth is more sentient than a fetus, jackass, and I somehow doubt you're the type running around yelling about "save the monkeys."

first why I care about this election? The USA is a major global economic factor no matter how you look at it and maybe I am a US citizen.. oh shizzle.

Calling Mccain pro life is a misnomer... really?

I went to his site and where most politicans have a female section or something on abortion, our friendly john does not..

He has Human Dignity and life.. all good but is it a fancy name for pro choice?

His site states:

Overturning Roe v. Wade

:naughty: John McCain believes Roe v. Wade is a flawed decision that must be overturned, and as president he will nominate judges who understand that courts should not be in the business of legislating from the bench.

Ok so we remove abortion rights from the USA.. previously Mccain was ok with abortions for women who had been RAPED, vistims of INCEST, or who would die giving birth... but now ladies im sorry if someone rapes you or daddy decides to f*ck you and you get preggers or your baby is deformed and giving birth will kill you... NO ABORTION.. you keep that baby and hope that the goverment supports it...

I wont even bother on repeating the rest of mccains policies google will show you quick :^o ly or his official website.

Abstinence.. well id love to see how that works with western teens...

As ofr Obama and abortion rights... at least abortion is still a right.. I am sure many women dont want to talk about it but I know so many whos lives have been changed by abortion. For better or for worse. The fact is its their body and their choice. So I guess you think I support killing babies? I tell you what i dont fucking support a man telling me that if someone rapes me or i get pregnant from my dad or a sibling or having a bay wil KILL ME that I have no choice I simply have to layt down spread my legs practice my lamars breathing and hope for the best? Care to set up a fund to pay for all this??

As for friends having abortions, I will make no arguement about the pain of this choice. Still I look at many friends who got pregnant young and went on to have careers and families and then gave a baby a loving and caring home one that could not offer the advantages they would love to give a child when they were in their early teens.

Abortion is it right?

Thats not the fucking question. The question is should women who have to carry a child and provide for it not have a choice about that child and how that child came to be in them whether via love, or carelessness or through violence and brutality.

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brb going to save the monkeys and then to have a sleep.

What, so you can spank them? Get a lot of them shoved in your face lately?

That was rather predictable.

Nah, I've got slightly better things to do, like finish off some brain numbing assignments. I'll let you cool off a little bit, as you obviously didn't get my part about not caring particularly much about the election.

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That was rather predictable.

Nah, I've got slightly better things to do, like finish off some brain numbing assignments. I'll let you cool off a little bit, as you obviously didn't get my part about not caring particularly much about the election.

About as predictable as a racoon sleeting sideways into the soaring squirrel toadness of everlasting frogdom; ribbeting into rainbows of incandescent tears dribbling skyward like radioactive ash.

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I would not support either of them, probably Ralph Nader if I had to support someone, I believe he will be running as an Independant.

Yea he is. Ive got a few friends leaning the same way you are but then ive got a few who are republican and we have had some firey debates. One has switched over to Obama though after taking some time to learn more

I avoid discussing politics with my parents because sadly they fall in to the class of pretending not to be racist but still carry racism in them deep down which is sad but I really dont see that changing. So I let my mother use her muslim sleeper excuse and change the subject. Better to talk shopping than politics.

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well America is one of the top global economies... and what effects them does filter out to the rest of the world...

Then things like the war in Iraq... how many countries have at some point had troops over there? a fair few

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... lition.htm

so what happens in the US while some of us may not be interested the future leader of the country will be making choices that effect their allies, enemies, the economy and trade. I choose to be interested.

Plus its already been an exciting election year makes a change from the 15 years of bush and clintons.

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Yeah, politics is fascinating, and although I'm more interested in NZ politics, I've been following events in the US a bit.

Obama certainly makes good speeches with some principles I generally agree with. At the same time, I'm suspicious of anyone who's too good a talker, and I haven't really seen much concrete policy - more just feel-good mission statements. Being naturally left-leaning, I haven't really looked at McCain much.

What interests me is the amount of public interest in the candidates' partners. OK, it's relevant in the Clintons' case, but for the others, who cares? When our election comes round, I'm certainly not going to be voting Labour because I think Peter Davis is a fine upstanding gent, or for National because I like John Key's wife (whoever she is).

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I agree Obama dose makes some good speeches from what I have seen on the news. I would pick Obama to win the election.But when it comes to the elections for NZ I am going to vote for labour so I dont have to put up with John Key and National.

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I agree Obama dose makes some good speeches from what I have seen on the news. I would pick Obama to win the election.But when it comes to the elections for NZ I am going to vote for labour so I dont have to put up with John Key and National.

oh god a labour supporter... why the f*ck would you want them its been the worst 9 years in political history.

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