NZFBB drug testing

[2guns]

i agree with bluto

[mr natural]

i agree with what you said bluto,if you refer to alot of nzfbb's b/b they did not look too clean to me.

[mr natural]

i would not worry about it to much bluto, their drug testing was a bit of a joke last year anyway.

OK, clever guy - let's see if you have the balls to back up your smart-arse comments with some actual facts and proof?! Nah, didn't think so! :roll:

like i said in an early post, i can't be bothered arguing the toss with you mr official. the proof is in the pudding.

[MasterTel]

i would not worry about it to much bluto, their drug testing was a bit of a joke last year anyway.

OK, clever guy - let's see if you have the balls to back up your smart-arse comments with some actual facts and proof?! Nah, didn't think so! :roll:

like i said in an early post, i can't be bothered arguing the toss with you mr official. the proof is in the pudding.

Just as I thought - you make a ridiculous comment and can't back it up when put on the spot. All you can respond with is "the proof is in the pudding"! :clap: Yeah you 'can't be bothered' ... that pretty much sums you up doesn't it!

[MasterTel]

I wasn't really referring to the number of competitors.

I meant the size of the competitors.

Why would anybody want to compete in NABBA in NZ, there is no future in it. You cant become a real pro in NABBA, and the NZ NABBA is part of the smaller NABBA association in the world, there are two NABBA's.

And yet more NZ bodybuilders have been competing in NABBA more and more so since the NZFBB started drug testing.

Im really only talking about the open mens, or over 90kg I guess.

Thanks, Bluto - as opposed to mr natural and 2guns, you have the decency to back up your statement with an incisive and positive reponse! :nod:

NABBA did have a rise in numbers a couple of years ago, but seem to be going backwards at the moment.

And that is quite true that NABBA get a lot more "bigger" competitors that the NZFBB, but there is certainly an abundance of quality in many of the "lighter" NZFBB competitors e.g. Daniel Hibbs and Supry Sos in the Under 65kg class.

[diamond]

MT is one of the good guys. He does a lot for the promotion of the sport and he's on our side. Until the nzfbb commitee make a decision then i guess it's pretty hard for him to tell us what's going on if he does not really know for sure himself. Everyone has got their own opinions on testing, i was just wondering if anyone knew what was happening with it at the moment. I didn't mean to start a slanging match.

[mr natural]

like i said in an early post, i can't be bothered arguing the toss with you mr official. the proof is in the pudding.

[nzmusclemonster]

I hope no one tests positive for BZP this year :roll:

[MasterTel]

I think that the nzfbb's drug policy stands on this main reason.If its not tested then you lose funding.Simple as that.

There are alot of people in high places that do not believe in it but it contiunes to stay for that reason.

As far as its potentency goes its pretty weak as when i went to last years nationals finals all the top 3 places in the mens events looked like they were using a little more than creatine.As i say the proof's in the pudding.

But hey mastel, feel free to bury your head in the sand about your presious feberation you big old Ostridge :clap:

You lost your argument with your first sentence, mr natural - we don't receive a cent of funding for having a drug policy! :roll:

I'm not sure what a 'presious feberation' is supposed to be, but until a lazy moaner like you gets of his backside to do something positive for this sport, I'll happily continue to do the hard work for you!

diamond - thanks for your comments, and it was a very good question to ask in the first instance. As you rightly perceive, there is nothing concrete to convey at the moment, except that we are still aligned to SPARC and Drug Free NZ. More might be known by the AGM, which is also our next Executive meeting - hence my suggestion for people to raise this issue then, or email the nzfbb in the meantime.

[nzmusclemonster]

You lost your argument with your first sentence, mr natural - we don't receive a cent of funding for having a drug policy! :roll:

I'm not sure what a 'presious feberation' is supposed to be, but until a lazy moaner like you gets of his backside to do something positive for this sport, I'll happily continue to do the hard work for you!

diamond - thanks for your comments, and it was a very good question to ask in the first instance. As you rightly perceive, there is nothing concrete to convey at the moment, except that we are still aligned to SPARC and Drug Free NZ. More might be known by the AGM, which is also our next Executive meeting - hence my suggestion for people to raise this issue then, or email the nzfbb in the meantime.

Is this because the NZFBB has new "investors" who no longer wish to do testing?

[2guns]

Is this because the NZFBB has new "investors" who no longer wish to do testing?

why not just say the name u are talking about and forget the bullshit?

its obvious enough wwat yr saying lol

funny shit

[ironmaiden]

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Of course they won't like you or a drug-free policy, keep up the good work and ignore those two floaters.

[2guns]

Of course they won't like you or a drug-free policy

i dont dislike Mastertel, i neva said i did. i think he does a good job!

i was just debating an issue with him, ive pmed him and we both see where one another is coming from. theres no hate involved

do u have anything constructive to post about this topic ironmaiden?

[MasterTel]

Is this because the NZFBB has new "investors" who no longer wish to do testing?

That's actually quite funny, NZMM! I think I know who you are referring to and the answer is a very big NO (quite the opposite actually)! We don't get any money for having a drug testing policy and there is definitely no-one offering us money to not have drug-testing. The NZFBB had turned round a $60k deficit 3 years ago to a current profit of around $10-$15K - purely through running successful events, cutting costs and definitely not through any special assistance relating to our drug testing policy or any other policy.

And, yes, I've had a conversation "off-line" with 2guns and highlighted the difficulty the NZFBB faces when certain incorrect accusations are made. I also spelt out the reasons why certain information has to be conveyed through the correct channels - and on the drug testing issue there is nothing specific that can be conveyed anyway.

I'm always happy to debate, inform and advise on NZFBB matters as honestly as I can. But if you have any harmful accusations without proof, then I will defend them. Fair enough?

[2guns]

yeah fair enough

[diamond]

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another intelligent comment from you.

You must put a lot of thought into your posts.

[samoan_muscle]

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another intelligent comment from you.

You must put a lot of thought into your posts.

That's what i thought...I reported her lmao :shifty:

[diamond]

Same here. All she is doing is trying to stir up shit on the threads she posts in.

Time she went on her way.

[poos_n_wees]

Ironmaiden's currently on her 2nd warning (as are a few others on the forum), so to be consistent, its 3 strikes and you're out. You can rest assured that things are being watched more closely now.

[/sheriff] lol.

As you were...

[mr natural]

Mastertel

if you don't recieve funding for the testing then i am ill informed.

what has cause me to raise my opinion is that i feel the testing for nzfbb is to inconsistent and either it should be very effective or it should not be there.

I just feel there are to many guys getting away with not being clean when others are trying to compete clean against them and obviously they don't have a chance.

I think if you enter nzfbb then you should play by the rules.

Thats why i choose not to compete in nzfbb and choose nabba,at least it presents a level playing field in that respect.

Now i know your response will probably be that you can't not test everyone which i understand as the testing is expensive and there are ways to pass clean when you are not.

Maybe there's a better way to keep it a level playing field such as tested and a non tested section but label them as "classic physique" and "modern physique" something along those lines anyway.

I know nzfbb have a million sections already so maybe its time for something new anyway,just my thoughts

feel free to get defensive though :pfft:

[michaelk]

As far as its potentency goes its pretty weak as when i went to last years nationals finals all the top 3 places in the mens events looked like they were using a little more than creatine.

now your talking through a hole in your ass, Mike D would have flown through the test, think about it in 2005 he was at the NABBA worlds around 100k and at the NZFBB nats in 07 at around 85k!!

I can tell you all I know Mike D well enough to say that he was clean and clear regardless of whether he would have been tested or not..I KNOW that for a FACT!

Unlike your jealous speculation.

And the guy he beat....Paul Woods....Nabba national champ from a few weeks prior.

i agree with what you said bluto,if you refer to alot of nzfbb's b/b they did not look too clean to me.

Correct me if I'm wrong (and I'll happily admit it) I think Bluto was implying the competitors were getting physically smaller because of the testing- and passing tests, yet you imply they would not pass the test, which is contradictory.

I'm not one to normally have a go at people online but your comments about Mike were well off course and ill informed.

I have recently been in contact with the Fed about the website, and emailed each exec memeber and recieved a lot of replies. Big J your on the right track to follow up your questions with them direct- you'll get more answers that way.

Catch more flyes with Honey.

[samoan_muscle]

Mastertel

if you don't recieve funding for the testing then i am ill informed.

what has cause me to raise my opinion is that i feel the testing for nzfbb is to inconsistant and either it should be very effective or it should not be there.

I just feel there are to many guys getting away with not being clean when others are trying to compete clean against them and obviously they don't have a chance.

I think if you enter nzfbb then you should play by the rules.

Thats why i choose not to compete in nzfbb and choose nabba,at least it presents a level playing field in that respect.

Now i know your response will probably be that you can't not test everyone which i understand as the testing is expensive and there are ways to pass clean when you are not.

Maybe there's a better way to keep it a level playing field such as tested and a non tested section but label them as "classic physique" and "modern physique" something along those lines anyway.

I know nzfbb have a million sections already so maybe its time for something new anyway,just my thoughts

feel free to get defensive though :pfft:

Lol Mr Natural...The topic of a tested and non-tested section in the federation has been discussed and debated many a time on this forum before. I thought the Elite Show was supposed to be an opportunity for athletes to compete without being tested.

[mr natural]

oh i was wondering how long it was gonna take micheal k to come along on his fine white horse and shinning armor to come along to the rescue lol

whippie bro.

your so predictable.Where did i mention mike?

ok exactly my point then,thanks for proving it.

if mike competed at 100kg's in nabba the obviously your saying he was on something and has used aas right?

so in the same breathe you can't say he's natural then right?

So because he does not test positive on the day of the nats(which is not that hard if your smart about it) it's all ok then?

All the testing proves is that at the time of testing you don't have any of the detectable drugs in your system. big deal!

(moderators,not stating a deflamatory statement about anyone just making an opinion.last time i checked that was still ok around here)

[2guns]

this has gone a little off subject.

everyone knows u dont have to be 'clean' to pass a drugs test, u can easliy switch wat u are using so the enhancers cant be detected because of detection times. u can even come off the other compounds earlier and just use something like test suspension or prop (a small amount) to keep u going, then when tested and no other compounds show up except high testosterone reading u can say "i just have naturally high test levels"..... im sure thats been done b4?

there are ways around it

wats the definition of natural u could ask.... if u have used gear for say example 7 years then come off for a year do a show and pass the test because u havnt used for a year are u they then able to call yrself natural??

im could go on and on...

get my point?

[2guns]

everyone knows u dont have to be 'clean' to pass a drugs test, u can easliy switch wat u are using so the enhancers cant be detected because of detection times. u can even come off the other compounds earlier and just use something like test suspension or prop (a small amount) to keep u going, then when tested and no other compounds show up except high testosterone reading u can say "i just have naturally high test levels".....

btw, if thats wat u gotta do then thats wat u gotta do.. but seems like abit of a pain in the arse