Oxygen Magazine

[Ash]

ExpensiveUrine

I train without assistance, and compete around 25 sets per muscle group. That's the way I train. I'm sorry if that blows your little mind, and you cant quite get your head around it. If you need help with your training just ask. Im only to happy to help my bodybuilding brothers.

Is that 25 sets in total per muscle group including warm-ups or is that 25 full-out worksets?

[Spitterkat]

ummm expensive? i train for myofibrillar hypertrophy, roughly 25 sets, but you didnt mention the reps now did you, you should know in weightlifting etc, its common to do high sets but low reps, and if you are going for hypertrophy on that, expect to crank em up (and yes, theyre unassisted.) besides, mr L.A muscle here might be exceptionally gifted in the genetic department

and hrdcor, gotta love the ladies in those fitness mags hahaha, all those fitness mags were all i had when i started out, yea i know better now, but its taken quite a while to find out whats actually good or not, trial and error man, the only way to know something works with regard to everything else, and blindly doing full body routines 6 days a week has made me practically invincible to any other form of training or nutrition, to look at a cube face on is to only see a square face, there are another 5 sides that are still hidden from view.

[Spitterkat]

sorri, i just have to do this, ive seen it in lots of forums and its just lame

pwned! hahahaha

(jks, dont take it seriously, it was meant as a mock at this)

[hrdcor]

Ash, check out my work out that i did for shoulders yesterday under training log, I usally do around 20-25 sets per body part, this is not usaly calculating w/up as these are not done with any decent stress!!I also explane why in a following post .

[Growth]

C'mon guys! If someone thinks that a certain bb magazine is good or not that is their own opinion, sure you can dissagree with that opinion but the thread is getting pretty boarderline.

[Ash]

Ash, check out my work out that i did for shoulders yesterday under training log, I usally do around 20-25 sets per body part, this is not usaly calculating w/up as these are not done with any decent stress!!I also explane why in a following post .

Thanks hrdcor, I saw that workout of yours. 20 - 25 worksets per bodypart would bury me in no time at all.

I've made decent progress in the past on volume workouts (not 25 sets though) but I've dropped right down to 1 workset per bodypart (2 on quads) and that's working brilliantly for me right now.

[Ash]

sorri, i just have to do this, ive seen it in lots of forums and its just lame

pwned! hahahaha

Thanks for lowering the quality of the forum by about 50% Spitterkat.

Please do me a favour and save this stuff for bodybuilding.com. It just doesn't add anything to these discussions :evil:

[L.A Muscle]

This Forum is great.

ExpensiveUrine, mate your aloud to have an opinion. Just don't attack people personally. This way we will get along just fine.

Ash. Thanks including warm-up sets.

[Ash]

Ash. Thanks including warm-up sets.

Cheers for clarifying. So of those 25 sets, how many would you classify as worksets?

Do you take all your worksets to failure?

I am always intrigued to see what workouts people are doing. As usual it comes down to different things working for different people.

[hrdcor]

most of my sets are work sets,I do a warm up of 3-4 sets on the first execise i choose, not heavy at all, it is to mainly start a good blood flow and mental state, then i begin work , i progressivly increase the weight with each set, with sets 4-5 usaly staying around the same weight, I have been training long enough to have a good grasp on my strentgh capablitys from work out to work out, and the warmup sets usally allows me to guauge my variant strentgh levels on any given work out. I aim to failure each working set, one point of note is that my resting capablitys are probibly better than most as i am able to rest or sleep in the afternoons if i so choose, and this is a big factor that people tend to over look when they read about all these pros work outs in the mags, they are all able to get optimal sleep times!!

[ExpensiveUrine]

if a individual buys a mag that you seem to dislike so much, and gains one bit of information that aids them for the better, or one bit of inspiration is gained whilst on this quest, then would you not say that then that individuals purchase has been a worth while one and one they would not class as a waste of money.[/quite]

No. Buying a magazine for a one piece of advice/tip seems rather rediculous, unless you like pretty pictures and overpriced supplements. Or you can buy a book, with REFERENCES, which will provide a much better education in terms of nutrition/training.

You see, when you're a writer for flex/ect there is really nothing new to write about monthly, assuming it is distributed monthly. OMG NEWS FLASH - exercise is healthy for you!11 With that said, a write has a couple of options.

1) Produce the same old stuff, over and over...

2) Make up ****. When 1) gets old some writers start making things up to make it seem more appealing/advanced to the average Joe.

3) Write a rediculously technical article that no one will understand. Most magazines won't print stuff like that, simply because your 'average' lifter won't be bothered reading it.

Basically these writers need to have SOMETHING to write about monthly/whatever.

When i was starting out BB i brought every mag ever sold on BB,it was through these purchases that i gained resonable knowledge to give me success,and the inspirations and dreams that they gave me enabled me to have a very clear vision on what i wanted to acheive, in fact i became so intrested in the nutrition side of the BB thing i educated myself and became a qualified nutritionst !

Science came a long way since then.

Oh and the 25 set thing any work you do that applies enough stress on the body that it is forced to change to adapt to these constent stresses is what it is all about isnt it??

Yes stress stimuli causes adaptation. I think we have a different opinions on what is 'ENOUGH STRESS'....Do you honestly believe that working 25 sets/bodypart will aid MOST lifters?

but as you seem to be a weight lifter and not a body builder as such i would suggest your prime goal would be optimum strength in your chosen lifts, which begs the question why did you bag a 25 set work out so much ??especialy if it is not your bag so to speak?

I don't know how you figured that out. I said I was getting ready for weightlifting, meaning...to go a watch a competition.... I was a weightlifter.

Yes strength is a primary concern in the world of a weightlifter, but since when do weightlifters train BODYPARTS for 25 sets? Strength training improves neural components of strength production, it has indirect effect on hypertrophy. You do not need 25 sets to do that. Even that is alot for a typical weightlifter or a bodybuilder for that matter.

[ExpensiveUrine]

ummm expensive? i train for myofibrillar hypertrophy, roughly 25 sets, but you didnt mention the reps now did you, you should know in weightlifting etc, its common to do high sets but low reps, and if you are going for hypertrophy on that, expect to crank em up (and yes, theyre unassisted.) besides, mr L.A muscle here might be exceptionally gifted in the genetic department

Low reps being 1-4? With that kind of rep range I'm assuming the intensity (defined as % of 1 RM) will be 85% and UP. Why don't you jump on a bench and perform 25 sets (bench press obviously works more than one bodypart) to low reps. This can be applied for squat/deadlift; Try squating for 25 sets to low reps. I guarantee you will see hell. And if you don't, then you aren't working at that percentage. When you perform these 25 sets, you'll obviously be sacrificing intensity, especially if you do it PER BODYPART.

[ExpensiveUrine]

C'mon guys! If someone thinks that a certain bb magazine is good or not that is their own opinion, sure you can dissagree with that opinion but the thread is getting pretty boarderline.

Agreed. Like I said it's their money. It just seems like an awful way to spend it.

[ExpensiveUrine]

This Forum is great.

ExpensiveUrine, mate your aloud to have an opinion. Just don't attack people personally. This way we will get along just fine.

Ash. Thanks including warm-up sets.

It was never my goal to attack a person on this forum, I was 'attacking' or questioning a WORKOUT performed by a person.

But then again, what do I know, I'm a sad sad man.

[ExpensiveUrine]

most of my sets are work sets,I do a warm up of 3-4 sets on the first execise i choose, not heavy at all, it is to mainly start a good blood flow and mental state, then i begin work , i progressivly increase the weight with each set, with sets 4-5 usaly staying around the same weight, I have been training long enough to have a good grasp on my strentgh capablitys from work out to work out, and the warmup sets usally allows me to guauge my variant strentgh levels on any given work out. I aim to failure each working set, one point of note is that my resting capablitys are probibly better than most as i am able to rest or sleep in the afternoons if i so choose, and this is a big factor that people tend to over look when they read about all these pros work outs in the mags, they are all able to get optimal sleep times!!

20-25 sets per BODYPART to FAILURE? lol.

Can I ask how frequent you train, as well as intensity (defined as % of 1RM in this case) used in those sets?

[hrdcor]

Dude what is your obssession with my work out---- but I will answer your questions because I have always shown respect and courtesy to my fans, I have never done a one rep max that i can remeber, sure i might have now and then but it was not worth a memorie, it was never in my plan to see what i could lift for 1 rep,that was not ganna help my goals!!

So I train at a 100% intensity every workout I feel I am capable of doing such, sometimes I train a little lighter than the previous workout, but i always aim for failure and if I notice the sighns of overtraining creeping in I add extra rest days, but I normaly train 5 days per week!!

[tallulahangie]

Oh my goodness! Too many male egos on this board!

Guys, it is only a magazine and this thread was to discuss the magazine, not your training methods. Please have this discussion under another thread...

Besides, I think the women are great to look at in Oxygen. Both inspiring and sexy. LOL By no means would I take the training advice seriously in the magazines. There are some good ideas that are worthwhile trying, but as an individual, I know what works best for me (as do each and every one of you who visits this site).

[frogie2001]

I agree with you completely "tall". the wife has pruchased Oxygen before at the super market, and seeing as I am always relatively open minded for training advice etc i had a read. it's a little soft with its articles, that is no real hard line training advice. but it is good as a motivator provides basic exercise techniques for beginners, and actually gives some reasonable recipes with the nutrition breakdown.

cheers

F

[Growth]

Guys, it is only a magazine and this thread was to discuss the magazine, not your training methods. Please have this discussion under another thread...

:clap: :pfft:

Besides, I think the women are great to look at in Oxygen. Both inspiring and sexy. LOL By no means would I take the training advice seriously in the magazines. There are some good ideas that are worthwhile trying, but as an individual, I know what works best for me (as do each and every one of you who visits this site).

I think this is the key point here guys, most people purchase bb mags just for a recreational read, something to just lay on the couch and chill out to on a sunday afternoon.

[Pseudonym]

The original question was where to find the magazine, and what was it like? I think that's been answered.

I'll leave this thread open for now in case others want to respond to the original question. But if it looks like we're going round in circles, or off on another tangent, the thread will be locked.

Now, here's a photo of a kitten to restore the warm fuzzies. :wink: