So what makes a good mass-gaining diet?

[ngapuhi strong]

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[SoaringSwine]

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT \:D/ :grin:

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^---I don't know why that one is "pfft", always looking like a laughing face to me

[Luigi]

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT \:D/ :grin:

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^---I don't know why that one is "pfft", always looking like a laughing face to me

:gunfire: yea i want some more action emoticons like these ones

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[ngapuhi strong]

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT \:D/ :grin:

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^---I don't know why that one is "pfft", always looking like a laughing face to me

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[2guns]

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[SoaringSwine]

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT \:D/ :grin:

:pfft:

^---I don't know why that one is "pfft", always looking like a laughing face to me

probibly cause its snigger not pffft that could be why porrrrky porrrrky, porrrrky pig, hes the farm yards mr big :pfft:

Starting to regret picking such an easily made fun of name... :doh:

[frogie2001]

After your workout you should consume some High gi carbs 50-80 grams{with a good shot of protein powder} to replenish muscle glycogen stores,the the sudden high blood sugar level will cause and insulin spike which will shuttle the nutrients into the muscle and also insulin is a great anti -catabolic substance.Eat no fats post workout,insulin is also great at storing fat and fat slows down the absorption rate of food which will interfere with your hopeful insulin spike.

Can you eat TOO MUCH protein?

Protein has a caloric value,4cals per gram{the same as carbs},so if you are eating the correct amount of carbs for you LBM and expenditure, but are eating over your requirements in protein there's a good chance that the extra may be stored as fat.

I drink an unholy amount of diet carbonated drinks. There's no calories or sugar in them, so this is pretty much the same as drinking water, right?

The body converts phenylalanine into tyrosine, another amino acid essential for making proteins, certain brain chemicals, and thyroid hormones. Symptoms of phenylalanine deficiency include confusion, lack of energy, decreased alertness, decreased memory, and diminished appetite.

:shock: wow didn't know this. cool I have always used a diet coke after a work out, but mostly because I'm so buggered and just want to go to bed, the caffeine keeps me going for an hour or so.

In regards to the high intake of protein, I can't remember where, and it talked aobut the strain that too high a dose of protein placed on the liver etc, that or the excess is passed as waste. Does anyone know where this article might be?

[Jasthace]

In regards to the high intake of protein, I can't remember where, and it talked aobut the strain that too high a dose of protein placed on the liver etc, that or the excess is passed as waste. Does anyone know where this article might be?

http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/ ... ekey=50900

http://www.thedoctorwillseeyounow.com/a ... protein_2/

Can one take in too much protein?

CCS

The typical American diet, as we said earlier, is already providing plenty of protein. There is no value in adding even more protein to that amount, since protein cannot be stored in the body and the excess is eliminated in urine and feces.

When people start consuming too much protein (over 2.0 g/kg/d), the extra protein can become a stressful stimulus for the kidney. This is even more of a concern as we get older and our organs are less efficient and effective.

Very high levels of dietary protein have also been correlated with increased urinary calcium excretion. The loss of calcium through urine could potentially be harmful for bone turnover, with the added risk of osteoporosis. Finally, protein requires vitamin B6 in order to be metabolized and ultimately utilized in the body. Very high levels of dietary protein increase the requirement for this B vitamin.

RMR

We often put patients with severe liver disease and brain disease on protein-restricted diets. For these individuals, are there any types of protein that are better tolerated?

CCS

Liver disease certainly poses a problem as far as how protein and amino acids are handled in the body. The liver is the main organ for breaking down amino acids, so when it is impaired, amino acids levels can build up and become toxic. This is particularly worrisome in the case of the so-called aromatic amino acids, such as tryptophan and phenylalanine, which are processed by the liver.

But there are other amino acids, the so-called branched chain amino acids (leucine, isoleucine and valine), which are not metabolized in the liver and go directly into the tissues (brain, skeletal muscle and kidney). Another amino acid, glutamine, is broken down in the gut and the kidneys and, therefore, for a patient with liver disease, does not tend to become toxic. Foods (e.g., legumes) rich in these amino acids help these patients maintain their protein nutrition.

http://www.webmd.com/news/20030317/high ... rt-kidneys

High-Protein Diets Can Hurt Kidneys

Damage Stems From Proteins Found in Meat

By Sid Kirchheimer

WebMD Medical NewsMarch 17, 2003 -- High-protein diets like that of the popular Atkins diet may accelerate the loss of kidney function in people with early problems. However, these controversial diets do not seem to affect people with normal kidneys, suggests new research.

[Jasthace]

I've been trying to find a simple and to-the-point page to read up on diet but there aren't too many "you should eat this in these quantities" examples I've come across. I also haven't worked out how many 'bad' foods you can add in to your diet to make it tolerable before it becomes a problem.

http://bodybuilding.about.com/od/nutrit ... updiet.htm

Dave Draper on Gaining Muscle Weight

by Dave Draper

In order to gain solid muscle weight bodybuilders need more food, more often.

Don't gorge yourself, but be prepared to eat and train hard. Protein from red meat, poultry and fish build muscle most effectively. Milk by the quarts, containers of cottage cheese and lots of eggs will add significantly to your muscle bulk and power building.

Whole grain breads, cereals and muffins work well for carbohydrate and fiber intake, while potatoes, rice and pasta are the most stable and popular sources of carbs. They burn clean, and with intense bodybuilding training they're not likely to store as bodyfat. Bring on the vegetables of your choice, variety here is good.

Complex carbs, fiber abundant, vitamins, minerals and exotic micro nutrients lurk in these foods.

Between meals shakes of Bomber Blend protein, plus peanut butter and bananas are convenient and powerful ways to add to your positive calorie count.

Plan your menu daily. You'll need to eat often, upwards of 6 meals per day. Don't overload your system, we can expect to absorb about 35 grams of muscle building protein at a sitting. For serious weight gain commit to these principles.

Dave Draper's Weight Gain Menu

Morning supplements:

Super Spectrim aminos, Super Spectrim vitamin/minerals, Vitamin C, Anabol Natural creatine, Body Ammo Joint Connection (MSM, glucosamine), EFA oil

Meal 1

Pre-workout - Bomber Blend Protein drink (2 scoops Bomber Blend, 16 ounces low fat milk, 2 eggs, small banana, tablespoon peanut butter, tsp Anabol Naturals L-Glutamine powder)

780 calories-breakdown in grams, 73 g protein, 56 g carbs, 30 g fat. 1 piece of toast (whole wheat), 70 calories-breakdown, 2 g protein, 13 g carbs, 1 g fat

Meal 1 total: 850 calories - 75 g protein, 69 g carbs, 31 g fat

6 caps Ageless Growth Formula and pre-workout Drink Ripped Force drink, 90 calories-breakdown, 0 g protein, 23 g carbs, 0 g fat

Meal 2

Post workout - Hamburger patty, 579 calories, 66 g protein, 0 g carbs, 35 g fat

Microwaved red potato (2), 290 calories, 6 g protein, 68 g carbs, 0 g fat

Meal 2 total: 869 calories, 72 g protein, 68 g carbs, 35 g fat

Meal 3

Bomber Blend Protein drink (2 scoops Bomber Blend, 16 ounces low fat milk, 2 eggs, small banana, tablespoon peanut butter) 780 calories-breakdown in grams, 73 g protein, 56 g carbs, 30 g fat

Meal 3 total: 780 calories-breakdown in grams, 73 g protein, 56 g carbs, 30 g fat

Meal 4

Hamburger patty, 579 calories, 66 g protein, 0 g carbs, 35 g fat Microwaved red potato (2), 290 calories, 6 g protein, 68 g carbs, 0 g fat

Meal 4 total: 869 calories, 72g protein, 68 g carbs, 35 g fat

Late-afternoon snack

Beef jerky, 162 calories, 13 g protein, 4 g carbs, 10 g fat

Late-afternoon snack total: 162 calories, 13 g protein, 4 g carbs, 10 g fat

Meal 5

Low fat milk, 137 calories, 10 g protein, 14 g carbs, 5 g fat

Turkey breast meat, 188 calories, 38 g protein, 0 g carbs, 2 g fat

Pasta, 6oz, 222 calories, 9 g protein, 39 g carbs, 3 g fat

Vegetable, 20 calories, 1 g protein, 3 g carbs, 0 g fat

Cut vegetable salad, 50 calories, 3 g protein, 14 g carbs, 0 g fat

Meal 5 total: 617 calories, 61 g protein, 70 g carbs, 10 g fat

Meal 6

Can of tuna, 100 calories, 22 g protein, 0 g carbs, 1 g fat

Cottage cheese, 50 calories, 8 g protein, 2 g carbs, 1 g fat

Meal 6 total: 150 calories, 30 g protein, 2 g carbs, 2 g fat

Evening supplements:

Super Spectrim aminos, Super Spectrim vitamin/minerals, Vitamin C, Anabol Natural creatine, MSM, glucosamine, tablespoon Metamucil fiber, EFA oil

Meal 7

Can of tuna, 100 calories, 22 g protein, 0 g carbs, 1 g fat

Cottage cheese, 50 calories, 8 g protein, 2 g carbs, 1 g fat

Meal 7 total: 150 calories, 30 g protein, 2 g carbs, 2 g fat

Total consumption for an average day:

4,520 calories, 426 g protein, 434 g carbs, 119 g fat.

Approximate average daily nutrient percentages:

38% protein, 38% carbs, 24% fat.

http://diet.lovetoknow.com/wiki/Categor ... d_Programs

[frogie2001]

I knew I wasn't going mad. so the answer is the kidneys. So heads up lads, don't over do the protein

[SamWelly]

I knew I wasn't going mad. so the answer is the kidneys. So heads up lads, don't over do the protein

Yeah I am a little bit worried right about now :shock:

Have been aiming for 4x my bodyweight in protein. A little too much? :shifty: Last time I had my bloods check Kidney function was above average. I am young tho so I the effects might not have set in yet.

[poos_n_wees]

I knew I wasn't going mad. so the answer is the kidneys. So heads up lads, don't over do the protein

Yeah I am a little bit worried right about now :shock:

Have been aiming for 4x my bodyweight in protein. A little too much? :shifty: Last time I had my bloods check Kidney function was above average. I am young tho so I the effects might not have set in yet.

Too much Protein?

...Don't overload your system, we can expect to absorb about 35 grams of muscle building protein at a sitting. For serious weight gain commit to these principles.

Myth.

Everybody knows that it can take a few hours to fully digest a meal. So, the 30-35g rule doesn't bode well when you apply some common sense. You may eat 35g at one sitting, but your body won't be taking in 35g in one lump sum.