insulin use..

[sponge]

The problem with consuming high GI carbs with slin is a massive spike in natural insulin on top of synthetic insulin which lends to decreased sensitivity/increased fat gain and greater sides. IMO you may as well spike it naturally POW and then syntheticly post PWO, to attain the greatest effect with the least problems.

but if you were to use slin right after your workout & have a high GI PWO shake you're going to have a spike anyway, woudln't the slin just make the spike more effective?

does that make sense?

[IronGame]

so wat u saying is you would wait till u get home and inject when having yr real meal not your pwo shake/concoction at the gym?

Yep

[IronGame]

The problem with consuming high GI carbs with slin is a massive spike in natural insulin on top of synthetic insulin which lends to decreased sensitivity/increased fat gain and greater sides. IMO you may as well spike it naturally POW and then syntheticly post PWO, to attain the greatest effect with the least problems.

but if you were to use slin right after your workout & have a high GI PWO shake you're going to have a spike anyway, woudln't the slin just make the spike more effective?

does that make sense?

It will just make it higher than it needs to be, and much harder to control and more unpredictable. Plus fry your receptors

Don't get me wrong I started out doing it that way and it worked just not as well as what I described before.

[Jasthace]

So perhaps a low/med gi carb to give a steady rate of sustanance.

And a high gi carb{maltodextrin} on hand in case sides start to occur?

[IronGame]

So perhaps a low/med gi carb to give a steady rate of sustanance.

And a high gi carb{maltodextrin} on hand in case sides start to occur?

Sounds good

[MUSCLEROIDS]

The way I do insulin is like this.

On Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays and only for 4 weeks than 2 weeks off before doing the next 4 weeks. I only take it at PWO.

So at the gym when you have done your workout go to the toilet to have your shot of insulin and than have a protein shake at the gym. The protein shake needs to have in it 50gms Carbs and 30gm Protein. The best protein to use is WPI whey protein isolate and for the carbs use waxy maize or maltodextrin. Now about 45mins to 1hr later after the shake at the gym have a meal with 250gm potato, 30gm protein ( 100gm fish or chicken )

Then have your next meal about 2hrs later before going to bed.

Each time you start the insulin cycle for the first week just use 6iu each time and than for the next 3 weeks use 10iu. DO NOT GO OVER 10iu and don't sleep for the next 3hrs when you have your shot of insulin. I have no fats on the cycle apart from the supplements I take.

Dont be like the guy that got some of me and i told him what to do and gave him the notes on how to do insulin. So on the Sunday night he rings me shitting himself saying he feels sick and is looking white and shaking. I ask him what he had done. He said to me that he did his workout and had the insulin shot with his shake and then had this 1hr meal. I asked him how much insulin he had and he said 10iu I said what the F--K did I say to have 10iu and you are having it on Sunday so I said to him have some more carbs now. So please do not think it is a steroid its only good for getting the carbs and protein into the muscle fast. Its best to have it with a Test. The cycle above is what some of the pro bodybuilders do. By taking insulin through the day will only make you fat as the ones that i know that do it that way all end up getting fat and have to do lots of cardio to get it of.

One more thing taking insulin is like Russian roulette.

[diamond]

for me starts with losing concerntration-sweating-distorted vision and extreme shaking.

sounds like me on the dance floor at some seedy club at 2am on sat night 8)

[diamond]

Hey but seriously, i don't know anything about insulin but i have read this thread and it sounds like it can be dangerous.

I have heard of other sports people taking insulin.

Wht not just take steroids and not worry about the insulin?

Does it make a big difference?

The guys i know that have used gear have gotten big without using insulin.

These might sound like stupid questions but humour me i don't know much about it and it's interesting.

[samoan_muscle]

Hey but seriously, i don't know anything about insulin but i have read this thread and it sounds like it can be dangerous.

I have heard of other sports people taking insulin.

Wht not just take steroids and not worry about the insulin?

Does it make a big difference?

The guys i know that have used gear have gotten big without using insulin.

These might sound like stupid questions but humour me i don't know much about it and it's interesting.

Do some research on the normal functions of insulin and then you will understand the effect it would have to add more at specific times during the day.

Alot easier than one of us trying to explain it to you.

[diamond]

sweet as.

[Jasthace]

Do some research on the normal functions of insulin and then you will understand the effect it would have to add more at specific times during the day.

Alot easier than one of us trying to explain it to you [.

Yes and not only for that reason,it's something that only the very serious, disciplined and well informed would look into and use.

I wouldn't want to spell it out for somebody and dish it up to them.

One stupid error can be fatal.

Correct dosage,timing and monitoring is essential.

[2guns]

as far as dosage and timing goes for the insulin (how much to use and when to use) and also the carbohydrates (how much to use, when to use and wat type to use) there are alot of different theories and opinions out ther.

i would say there isnt 1 particular right way to do it, but there is definitly a wrong way

[Jasthace]

as far as dosage and timing goes for the insulin (how much to use and when to use) and also the carbohydrates (how much to use, when to use and wat type to use) there are alot of different theories and opinions out ther.

i would say there isnt a right way to do it, but there is definitly a wrong way

Yes I concur

It needs to be felt out by the individual,by starting at the bottom dose,and discovering exactly how many carbs{perhaps to a ratio} you personally require at a given rate of expenditure.

On another note.

Something I am having trouble understanding about insulin,is that gains from its use are rated as "tops" for maintaining{keeping} after external administration has ceased.

A lot of users say they keep all their gains.

I would've thought,given thats its primary function is to tranport nutrients into the exhursted muscle cell that,taken away,the effect would be a quickl revert back to the natural state.

I am aware that insulin is said to be able to muture uselss statelite muscle cells,prehaps this effect is understated.

Any one have any more understandings about other growth factor s/functions it stimulates?

I have glimpsed a few article titlles that look to suggest igf 1 levels and even HGH but I have'nt yet had the time to look into them :doh:

[2guns]

could be because taken like most people would, your pancreas doesnt fully shut down unlike aas and yr own test.

so maybe when u come off the insulin your natural insulin levels are still jsut the same as they were and ready to do the same job they were doing beofore, assuming u did it sensibily.

this is just a guess as ive never researched that aspect of it, so dnt believe this just coz u read it coz it just a thought.

insulin does give u awesome gains though, even taken without aas u will still gain muscle fast and keep it. thats wat id be doing if i were going to olympics anyway lol

[Jasthace]

Another piece of info of interest.

Insulin and HCA

WRITTEN BY MAYNARD

Getting straight to the point, unless you are a moron and are eating fat during insulin use, or you have crappy insulin sensitivity, HCA is the second most effective fat gain inhibitor next to Clenbuterol (which is only more effective due to its' ridiculously long half life).

Hydroxy Citric Acid (HCA) is the main ingredient in Citrimax, and is a bargain in terms of its': relative effectiveness (when using insulin), cost (cheap, cheap, cheap), and availability. It works by inhibiting an enzyme called ATP citrate ly(s)ase (ACL), which basically converts ingested carbs to fat (which insulin promptly stores). This is normally NOT a big deal since ACL levels are normally low in most humans. However, insulin drastically increases ACL levels (which should make sense based on what you now know about insulin) accounting for most of the, responsible use, fat gain associated with insulin use. This is the most exciting find since the discovery of insulin as an anabolic! Using insulin and not gaining fat while gaining muscle? What a concept! Although I don't like to go into the details of use directly, I believe it is warranted here. 500-750mgs HCA should be taken with or within half an hour after the insulin shot.

They usually recommended 250mgs is ineffective in dealing with the drastic increase in ACL levels. The HCA is taken with the shot because both start to work on about one half hour, so the HCA can begin to be effective at the same time that insulin is trying to increase ACL levels.

This regimen (only 3X500mgs HCA) prevented fat gain during a day when I used 3 separate insulin shots! To make things even better there is a mild glycogen storage property associated with HCA use. Since ingested carbs cannot be converted to, or stored as, fat, they are generally stored (due to insulin) as glycogen in muscle giving the user a mild but noticeable pump (similar to the first day of creatine use). To end this portion of the list, I give HCA my highest recommendation as the number 1 supplement to use with insulin!

http://www.ultimatefatburner.com/natura ... x-hca.html

[2guns]

finally! a decent thread on this site for once!

[mr natural]

yes it is and its about time i ruined it,2 guns your an idiot! your gonna end up a diabetic. lol

[2guns]

go f*ck yrself

[mr natural]

you first.haha

[2guns]

mr natural, ppl are actually educating each other on sumthing interesting for once... u just dnt know when to stop do u :pfft:

[Jasthace]

yes it is and its about time i ruined it,2 guns your an idiot! your gonna end up a diabetic. lol

Everything in this life can be dangerous Mr Natural.

Even a piece of chewing gum or a cotton bud if you're not carefull.

The idea is to be educated and in control.

Information is the key,for those that dont know anything,well they remain agnorant.

Plus

Who dares Wins !

[IronGame]

yes it is and its about time i ruined it,2 guns your an idiot! your gonna end up a diabetic. lol

Everything in this life can be dangerous Mr Natural.

Even a piece of chewing gum or a cotton bud if you're not carefull.

The idea is to be educated and in control.

Information is the key,for those that dont know anything,well they remain agnorant.

Plus

Who dares Wins !

Maby we should change that quote to "who dares wins OR dies" lol