insulin use..

[2guns]

is it ok to use 2 diff types of slin together, as in using 'act rapid' in the am and in the pm (pwo) to use 'humalog'?

or should one when using slin just stick to one type for the time using?

[mr natural]

you'd wanna use the gradual release one during the day and the rapid one post workout.

[2guns]

act rapid is the slower realeasing of those two (just coz it says rapid doesnt mean its rapid lol)

my question i was wanting to know was is it bad to use two differetn types together when doing a ccyle of insulin.

like should u just use one type and stick to that till how eva long yr duration is, is over?

or is using 2 diff types like i posted in the first post alright?

[2guns]

act rapid is the slower realeasing of those two (just coz it says rapid doesnt mean its rapid lol)

my question i was wanting to know was is it bad to use two differetn types together when doing a ccyle of insulin.

like should u just use one type and stick to that till how eva long yr duration is, is over?

or is using 2 diff types like i posted in the first post alright?

[samoan_muscle]

act rapid is the slower realeasing of those two (just coz it says rapid doesnt mean its rapid lol)

my question i was wanting to know was is it bad to use two differetn types together when doing a ccyle of insulin.

like should u just use one type and stick to that till how eva long yr duration is, is over?

or is using 2 diff types like i posted in the first post alright?

I think using two different types is fine - it doesnt really matter - as long as you are completely aware of which type is doing what at what time then you are fine from a safety point of view. As for results - better gains whatever, I dont think is any difference..and from what I can remember - humalog is faster acting than act-rapid...

[2guns]

yeah HL is faster acting than AR.

ok sweet, i couldnt find anything on the net bout it really.

was just checkign for convieience as slin is prettyn hard to cum by unless yr mates a diabetic,

so if u can get yr hands on different types, i.e humalog, actrapid etc then u can use them easier (y i say this is becaseu i train in evenings and wouldnt wanna use actrapid as i dnt wanna stay up for 8 hours after i train lol)

only problem iv been told and thought bout would be putting on BF during the day on actrapid if i didnt eat very clean. but u can only find out right

[IronGame]

Was thinking about what we descussed, actrapid am and humalog PWO and I think that the safest way to do it and from a insulin sensitivity point of view I would go 2iu act rapid with each meal up til o then humalog PWO 10iu max. You wont go hypo overnight if you have consumed ample carbs throughout the day (complex carbs that is not sugar)

[2guns]

I would go 2iu act rapid with each meal up til o

shot, wat is "o" bro?

[IronGame]

I would go 2iu act rapid with each meal up til o

shot, wat is "o" bro?

sorry mid afternoon. Maby 4 shots of 2iu total + 8-10iu HL PWO

But only 3days a week max don't be tempted to go more or you'l f*ck your sensitivity for good. Use those 3 days to put your body in an anabolic environment for 24hours and then back it off.

If you really want to do this properly, eat a decent amount (600-700gm)of low GI carbs, plenty of fruit, low sugar, very low fat and high (~350gm) protein on "on slin" days, and very low (<100gm) carb, moderate(~100gm) "good" fat and very high(450+) protein on "off slin" days

And grow like a weed

[2guns]

thanks, its so tempting to do more than 3 days though aye lol

[IronGame]

thanks, its so tempting to do more than 3 days though aye lol

for sure, but def not worth it IMO remembering that at some stage you need to get lean again :wink: which with zero insulin sensitivity would be tough, plus you run the risk (tho even still very small) of developing type 2 diabeties, bad for you but not so bad for me coz you can give me your metformin :pfft:

[2guns]

haha sweet bro

[Jasthace]

I'm not sure {dont know} the answer to your question 2 guns

But the fast acting humalog{1 hr peak,2 hour max duration] is a sure bet in the evenings.

Humulin R will give you the longer effect in during the day.

I'm just about to try it for the first time myself,but I'll be using it post workout only.

You mentioned in your post couldn't find much info,probably meaning about the use of the two different insulins?

just in case you need a bit more info on insulin in general,here's a good link.

http://www.basskilleronline.com/insulin.shtml

[IronGame]

I'm not sure {dont know} the answer to your question 2 guns

But the fast acting humalog{1 hr peak,2 hour max duration] is a sure bet in the evenings.

Humulin R will give you the longer effect in during the day.

I'm just about to try it for the first time myself,but I'll be using it post workout only.

You mentioned in your post couldn't find much info,probably meaning about the use of the two different insulins?

just in case you need a bit more info on insulin in general,here's a good link.

http://www.basskilleronline.com/insulin.shtml

You need to watchout for longer than 2hours on humalog 3hours is usually pretty safe but there will still be residual in your system for up to 6hours. So always be aware and look for signs of hypo onset, and it happens real quick and is quite unplesant. I have been hypo a few times, for me starts with losing concerntration-sweating-distorted vision and extreme shaking.

Don't take it to lightly, thats all Ill say.

[2guns]

You mentioned in your post couldn't find much info,probably meaning about the use of the two different insulins?

thats correct, thats wat i meant.

thanks for the link.

[2guns]

yeah and if i have my humalog jab at 8.30pm after training i just keep eating and stay up till midnight then ahve a low gi carb feed right before bed.

as for putting on bodyfat, u just keep and eye on it and adjust diet to suit, if u getting too fat then just reassess wat u eating and when u eating it in conjuction with your insulin jabs

[2guns]

jacetheace, that links a good read!

cheers brother :clap:

[Jasthace]

You need to watchout for longer than 2hours on humalog 3hours is usually pretty safe but there will still be residual in your system for up to 6hours. So always be aware and look for signs of hypo onset, and it happens real quick and is quite unplesant. I have been hypo a few times, for me starts with losing concerntration-sweating-distorted vision and extreme shaking.

Don't take it to lightly, thats all Ill say.

Shhyks!

Thanks for the input

I'll be sure to taper up at a conservative rate.

[Jasthace]

You need to watchout for longer than 2hours on humalog 3hours is usually pretty safe but there will still be residual in your system for up to 6hours. So always be aware and look for signs of hypo onset, and it happens real quick and is quite unplesant. I have been hypo a few times, for me starts with losing concerntration-sweating-distorted vision and extreme shaking.

Don't take it to lightly, thats all Ill say.

Shhyks!

Thanks for the input

I'll be sure to taper up at a conservative rate

[Jasthace]

yeah and if i have my humalog jab at 8.30pm after training i just keep eating and stay up till midnight then ahve a low gi carb feed right before bed.

as for putting on bodyfat, u just keep and eye on it and adjust diet to suit, if u getting too fat then just reassess wat u eating and when u eating it in conjunction with your insulin jabs

All the information I've read,simply states to use 10grams of carbs per iu of slin.

But nothing about any ratio of simple to complex carbs.

Whats the low down on this,any suggestions/recommendations?

simple + complex?, preferential Gi rating??

[IronGame]

yeah and if i have my humalog jab at 8.30pm after training i just keep eating and stay up till midnight then ahve a low gi carb feed right before bed.

as for putting on bodyfat, u just keep and eye on it and adjust diet to suit, if u getting too fat then just reassess wat u eating and when u eating it in conjunction with your insulin jabs

All the information I've read,simply states to use 10grams of carbs per iu of slin.

But nothing about any ratio of simple to complex carbs.

Whats the low down on this,any suggestions/recommendations?

simple + complex?, preferential Gi rating??

The old school of thought is high GI carbs, pretty much chuggin down powerade for a couple of hours but you are much better off consuming low GI complex carbs.

[sponge]

i'd always thought higher GI carbs when first injected, and then slower GI carbs at the peak?

[2guns]

i'd always thought higher GI carbs when first injected, and then slower GI carbs at the peak?

i was talking bout before bed with the lower gi carbs, i like to eat both through out the day and after training id eat more high gi carbs

[IronGame]

The problem with consuming high GI carbs with slin is a massive spike in natural insulin on top of synthetic insulin which lends to decreased sensitivity/increased fat gain and greater sides. IMO you may as well spike it naturally POW and then syntheticly post PWO, to attain the greatest effect with the least problems.

[2guns]

so wat u saying is you would wait till u get home and inject when having yr real meal not your pwo shake/concoction at the gym?