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Creatine Monohydrate, EBN, Reactiv and ProLab

Laver

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I've decided to up my supplements, want to start trying some creatine.

Ive read most of the previous threads on creatine on this site and a few others,

I've narrowed it down to 3 choices, the safe choice is ProLab, but if ESN is still good quality ill get it cos its cheap as :o

ProLab

http://www.nzmuscle.co.nz/product_info. ... ucts_id=54

Good price, good rep.

Reactiv

http://www.reactiv.co.nz/products/Micro ... e%E2%84%A2

Good price, NZ made, Creapure, cant go wrong?

ESN

http://www.ebody.co.nz/showproduct.aspx ... ectionid=3

This stuff is REALLY cheap, but I don't trust ESN, I couldn't find jack on the net about them.

If somebody can vouch for them then ill go for it cos of price, otherwise it'll probably be ProLab stuff.

I'm gona use D-Glucose as my transporter, can somebody give me an idea of the correct ratio between the Creatine and the Dextrose?

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Try NFS Kre-Alkalyn roughly simliar price and you wont get the water retention. Its also much easier to take as its in pill form.

Oh with the price thing I mean you wont go through it as quick and therefore works out much the same.

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hey bro ive tried the pro lab and it was great quality, as for the ratio i used dextrose as well.

red8's creatine is a mixture of 3:2 with dextrose being the high number. i prefer a 2:1 ratio better because its easier to measure

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In theory, the ProLab and the Reactiv should be exactly the same since both are Creapure which is high quality. Both are the same price if you're looking at the 2x 300g tubs too.

Personally I wouldn't go for the cheapest one, I'd rather go for the other ones which I know are pure.

I ordered the Reactiv creatine a week or 2 ago and have have good results so far.

BTW. I ordered late one afternoon and it was on my doorstep the next morning at breakfast, free shipping too. Good service.

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Hey Flex can I ask where you got that from?

Why do you think it would be better than the 3:2 suggested as used in Red8's?

You make it sound like I just made it up - the 30g carbs 5g creatine is what it's always been - well at least for the 12 years or so that creatine has been on the market. I'm not sure where Red8 came up with their ratio. To be honest you may get the best results with up to 100g of High GI carbs.

That's a crazy amount of simple sugars though. Fortunately a few studies now show that protein and carbs should be combined with the creatine as they give a better response than just carbs alone. The best recommendation seems to be 50g of carbs and 50g protein with your creatine to get a the maximum insulin response. Most guys do something along these lines PWO anyway so it's not hard to do. Add some taurine, 4-hydroxyisoleucine and alpha lipoic acid to it to make it even better, and a little sodium and potassium might help improve it's absorption too. Combine it all with the use of Beta-alanine preworkout and you've got the best stack around.

And if you need some scientific evidence that I'm not just making this up......

http://jap.physiology.org/cgi/content/full/89/3/1165

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hey bro, id treat anything by flex as gospel but it depends if your loading, you dont really want to be putting 30g dex through your body 4+ times a day, i went for 2 teaspoons dex, 1 teaspoon creatine in a big glass.

imho i would do this most times with the exception of your post workout shake where you can go the whole hog with the carbs and protien

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Lol, the risk is that MAX-OT for some people ends up being a stregth training programme and they gain little size, ill also need to make sure im getting my b/f down as the weeks go on cos im holding quite a few % at the moment.

So might look at slowing downing the cal intake after 11-13 weeks then drop it lower and hit the cardio last 4weeks, im to novice to know how to do it all right, so having to follow general principles that hopefully my body responds too!

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hey bro, id treat anything by flex as gospel

Yes, yes good, do that. Never question what I say for I am all knowing. Now, go spread the word among your people....

It's good to question things so don't always take someones word for gospel. As the saying goes - A fool wonders, a wise man asks.

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Hey Flex can I ask where you got that from?

Why do you think it would be better than the 3:2 suggested as used in Red8's?

You make it sound like I just made it up - the 30g carbs 5g creatine is what it's always been - well at least for the 12 years or so that creatine has been on the market. I'm not sure where Red8 came up with their ratio. To be honest you may get the best results with up to 100g of High GI carbs.

That's a crazy amount of simple sugars though. Fortunately a few studies now show that protein and carbs should be combined with the creatine as they give a better response than just carbs alone. The best recommendation seems to be 50g of carbs and 50g protein with your creatine to get a the maximum insulin response. Most guys do something along these lines PWO anyway so it's not hard to do. Add some taurine, 4-hydroxyisoleucine and alpha lipoic acid to it to make it even better, and a little sodium and potassium might help improve it's absorption too. Combine it all with the use of Beta-alanine preworkout and you've got the best stack around.

And if you need some scientific evidence that I'm not just making this up......

http://jap.physiology.org/cgi/content/full/89/3/1165

Flex: Would you recomend kre alk over mono creatine? Is the difference in price worth it for the results in your opinion? It is getting expensive taking 12 tabs a day - versus the equivelent amount for less cost of non ph neutral creatine.

I find that I don't get any bloat with Kre Alk - or am I just convincing myself I'm not?? :lol:

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I've never had good gains from monohydrate (strengthwise, just alot of water rentention). I would go for a pure creatine or kre alk. Which lowers the chance of creatine turning into creatinine

I've never had good gains from any but thats just me, it works for some.

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Flex: Would you recomend kre alk over mono creatine? Is the difference in price worth it for the results in your opinion? It is getting expensive taking 12 tabs a day - versus the equivelent amount for less cost of non ph neutral creatine.

I find that I don't get any bloat with Kre Alk - or am I just convincing myself I'm not?? :lol:

Would I recommend KA over pure creatine mono? Not from a strength and muscle gaining point of view.

One of the BENEFITS of creatine is that it increases the amount of water in the muscle cell along with the creatine. This results in the increased pump users exhibit when loading on creatine and maximises the size of the muscle. This extra water is thought to increase the muscle cell volume, activating more muscle protein and glycogen synthesis, reducing muscle breakdown and increasing muscle mass. Some of the creatine may not transport fully through the muscle cell which results in the water retention occuring between the skin and muscle and causing the infamous water retention where the muscle appears a bit smoother. HI GI Carbs and anything that stimulates insulin can help transport the creatine across the cell wall alot better so that can reduce the water retention a bit. However the retention wasn't a problem until the guys from krealkalyn came along and told us it was bad for some reason. They've fixed something that was never broken. Personally I like the increased muscle pump and muscle fullness that creatine mono gives me - plus the increased weight gain I get from it which usually ranges from between 1kg to 3 kgs a week for the first few weeks of use.

IMO if you aren't getting increased water in the muscle cell then you aren't getting the full benefits of creatine. Lack of water retention will normally be due to using too low a dose of creatine. With Krealkalyn you may be lucky to get maybe 3 or 400mg creatine per capsule (they are 750mg caps but that includes the buffering agent [sodium bicarb or similar] plus some extraneous fillers) so 6 caps may give you 1.8g of creatine, about half of the recommended maintenance dose for most guys. So yeah you probably won't get too much water retention from it because it's not really a high enough dose for most guys.

In 12 caps/day you're getting somewhere between 4 or 5g of creatine - at 105kg LBM and with your training volume that probably won't be enough. Double the dose or save your money and use pure creatine monohydrate.

BTW Krealkalyn isn't pH neutral - it's alkaline. pH neutral is 7, KA is around 12. ( their patent covers anything between pH 7 and pH 14)

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