WPI vs WPC

[Laver]

Hey,

I currently have about 10kg of both WPI and WPC, all the fonterra stuff.

I was curious which is the best times to use each, I havent started using the WPI yet, so currently my use of it is something like this

6am Meal 1

Whole food

PWO

WPC

Meal 2

Whole food

Meal 3

WPC

Meal 4

WPC

Meal 5

Whole Food

Meal 6

WPC

So 3 times a day on off days or 4 times a day on training days.

Keeping to those rough numbers, when would be a suitable time to use the WPI rather than the WPC, PWO is 1 obviously

[Pseudonym]

I don't think there's any particular need to use whey protein isolate at any time other than post-workout. The faster-releasing protein is good then, but the rest of the time slower is better.

Having said that, I was looking at Horleys website this afternoon, and saw that one of their sponsored athletes Craig Sparreboom uses an isolate for breakfast, post training and before bed. Not sure what the idea there is - bedtime is the time you'd want a sustained-release protein most, I would have thought...

More importantly though, I think you should consider swapping your shake in meal 3 or 4 for a real meal. As a rule of thumb, I prefer to keep my shakes to fewer than half the meals. Dunno how accurate it is, but someone once scared the shit of out me by suggesting you could develop a dairy intolerance through extended exposure. That was enough to convince me - can't live without my whey protein! But apart from that, I think it's good to get your protein from a variety of sources just to get a range of nutrients.

[fudoc5]

someone once scared the shit of out me by suggesting you could develop a dairy intolerance through extended exposure. That was enough to convince me - can't live without my whey protein!.

is that really true pseudonym?? shit :shock: :shock:

[Pseudonym]

No idea. But certainly if you already have a dairy intolerance, large amounts of dairy can turn a peaceful, dormant condition into a raging monster.

Given that I already have a chronic sinus condition (which I choose to believe has nothing to do with my whey intake!) personally I'm not taking the risk!

[teamfatboy]

Dunno how accurate it is, but someone once scared the shit of out me by suggesting you could develop a dairy intolerance through extended exposure. That was enough to convince me - can't live without my whey protein!

I'd heard the same thing, altho I haven't verified it.. I cut down on the likelihood by making the shakes with water..but I may be looking at swapping a couple of whey shakes for egg protein powder or casein, depending on the time of day relative to workout.

[SamWelly]

Whey is for PWO only IMO.

Add in a table spoon of olive oil to bump up the calories and slow down the absortbition rate if you must take it any other time.

Eat some real food.

[IronGame]

someone once scared the shit of out me by suggesting you could develop a dairy intolerance through extended exposure. That was enough to convince me - can't live without my whey protein!.

is that really true pseudonym?? shit :shock: :shock:

This is true for most foods, if you consume large amounts of pretty much anything over an extended period of time you may develope an intollorence or mild (or serious) alergy from it. There are plenty of study's out there to verify this.

[Laver]

Now my whey is going to last forever; lol.

Can only use it once a day!

More recently Ive been eating 5 whole food meals on training days and only 2 shakes so its an improvement, ill start having more whole foods and less whey.

Originally it had been 3whole meals and 3whey meals; as suggested in Hugo Riveras plan.

[Laver]

someone once scared the shit of out me by suggesting you could develop a dairy intolerance through extended exposure. That was enough to convince me - can't live without my whey protein!.

is that really true pseudonym?? shit :shock: :shock:

This is true for most foods, if you consume large amounts of pretty much anything over an extended period of time you may develope an intollorence or mild (or serious) alergy from it. There are plenty of study's out there to verify this.

Can we get a time frame on this?

So its dangerous for me to only eat eggs, tuna, rolled oats, green beats and WPC for the next 3months?

[SamWelly]

I think the intolerance applys to dairy based products more than anything else. Think of cows for example... Don't see them eating a diverse range of foods eh?

[Flex]

Can we get a time frame on this?

So its dangerous for me to only eat eggs, tuna, rolled oats, green beats and WPC for the next 3months?

Not really. Maybe if that was all you ate for 5 or 6 years. There are some suggestions that lack of variation in diets may cause intolerances and allergies. I don't know if any of it has any scientific evidence.

In saying that I ate pretty much just Tuna, pita bread, red meat, rice, and whey protein 5 or 6 days a week for 9 years or so and it wasn't until after about 8 years that I ran into problems - mainly with lactose and dairy proteins, however I now seem to also have issues with gluten/wheat.

It's generally a good idea to add some variation into the diet over long time frames but 3 months isn't very long in the big scheme of things.

IMO WPI and WPC are always going to offer better results than wholefood however you do need to keep the variation in there. Whey is much more bioavailable and more efficiently digested than wholefood, WPC is better for your immune system than wholefood, and if you add up how much protein you get out of it and it's quality, whey is still a cheaper option than whole food protein sources. 3 wholefood and 3 whey based meals is good and shouldn't cause any longterm problems.

Personally I'm into having a rest every 3 to 6 months - one week off diet, protein powders, supplements and training - this should allow the body to flush out any byproducts or toxins, as well as letting your mind have a rest from worrying about what you have to eat and when you have to train.

[Pseudonym]

^ That's some good advice, right there. :nod:

[Laver]

PSE: Agreed.

Thanks, Flex.

MAX-Ot talks about having a rest every 8weeks, just a week without training and eating reasonably well but not so strict, so that should produce the same effect, hopefully!

[Optimass]

Having said that, I was looking at Horleys website this afternoon, and saw that one of their sponsored athletes Craig Sparreboom uses an isolate for breakfast, post training and before bed. Not sure what the idea there is - bedtime is the time you'd want a sustained-release protein most, I would have thought...

I also have WPI m/tea, post-training and supper (meal 6) - but mix in water only. If your on a budget having two different types of powder is going to increase costs, and of all the meals I'm most focused on getting the protein in on, it would have to the Post-training - which makes WPI the preferential choice. I generally have a larger portion of protein in my evening meal to ensure the maximum solid uptake prior to the supper shake. (this ensures a 4 hour breakdown period between the two). I have had pretty steady resullts in doing this over the last two years.

Horleys ICE WHEY is very low in lactose, so doesn't pose a risk unless your having it 5 times a day with a litre of trim milk each serve - WPI wont make you Lactose Intolerant. If it did occur it would probably be something else in your regular daily intake that caused it.

see the link below to the Auckland Allergy clinic ... quite a comprehensive description of LI;

http://www.allergyclinic.co.nz/guides/21.html

Interesting topic

[2guns]

If your on a budget having two different types of powder is going to increase costs

only to start off with....

[Laver]

If your on a budget having two different types of powder is going to increase costs

only to start off with....

Yeh, I would only lose the interest from the bank on the capital, which is negligable

Other than that it would cut costs in a sence, as I could use WPI PWO and WPC rest of the time , meaning less consumption of WPI; the more costly of the two.

Anyhow, thanks for the rest of the advice, Opti!