Behind Neck Press

[grinder]

I use them as a lighter weight, higher rep movement at the end of a shoulder workout. Only lower to the ear line and keep the movement slow and smooth.

Each to their own tho..

[Tonka]

Heavy weighted dips and behind the neck shoulder press are key exercises for a big bench. Couldnt believe it when the "pollitically correct" said that BNP and Lat pulldowns behind the neck were bad for shoulders and elbows...what a load of crap! I've been doing them for years with heavy weight and had no trouble...then again I do rotators and rear delts 3 times a week.

[Dale]

Was waiting for you to read this thread Tonka knew what you would say!

[Bee]

I would suggest DB Press. DB Press will give you a full range of motion and more control.

Behind the neck press puts allot of strain onto your neck and your shoulder ligaments.

If you would like to do behind the neck press, get a flat bench, a spotter and do them sitting down in a squat rack. This will allow you to have more control, but if you feel any strain on your neck or shoulder ligaments STOP!

That’s my two scents worth

[Bee]

A good routine for shoulders are,

Lateral raises

Front raises

Bent over laterals

Military Presses

Arnold Press

DB Press

Try four out of the 6 per session

[ngapuhi strong]

Does the dip machine need to angle in like a V or can the bars be parallel? We dont have a V Taper one at my gym...

I prefer straight bars by far the best, don't like the V angle and would never do a V dip facing outwards to the widest point, only ever facing in if thats your only choice unless you want to f**k up your wrists.

Some workouts I would use Weighted Dips as primary exercise doing up to 10 sets, at least 5 of them maxed out 4-6 reps, must have full lockout at top and tense the triceps, the bench press aint finished unless you lock it out bro!

come on how weak are your wrists that they cant handle facing out wards??

i have crap wrists and have never had any trouble doing dips facing out

[Dale]

are you kidding me, a typical dip session would be strapping 120kg around my waist when I weighed 120kg and doing sets of 8-12 weighted dips or 140kg for 4-6s, and as i've said in earlier threads that was when i benched 220kg for 10 (no bench suit), so my wrists were and still are plenty strong. As for behind the neck presses I've pressed 6 reps with 180kg and done 80kg dumbbell presses for 8s, cleaning them to shoulders first, and my shoulders are still attached. And I know Tonka knows what he's talking about m8, the guy bench presses 310kg, so wrists are sorta strong..your wrists are not however designed to face outwards when loaded with such weights so hence my point from the start...

[Dale]

sorry ngapui, what i meant to say in the earlier thread was actually that because i'm such a wanker i have strong wrists :pfft: :pfft: and don't i just know 2guns will take that quote and get some mileage out of it! :pfft: :evil:

WTF its 11.13pm already!

[ngapuhi strong]

sorry ngapui, what i meant to say in the earlier thread was actually that because i'm such a wanker i have strong wrists :pfft: :pfft: and don't i just know 2guns will take that quote and get some mileage out of it! :pfft: :evil:

WTF its 11.13pm already!

:pfft: \:D/ :doh:

2guns will get plenty milage out of that one

[2guns]

u 2 are both wankers!

and u probably both get plenty of mileage from/off each other

[ngapuhi strong]

u 2 are both wankers!

and u probably both get plenty of mileage from/off each other

:pfft: \:D/ :shock: :pfft:

coming from such a master ...... bater like your self i'll take that as a compliment

[2guns]

its too late for this shit, im off out to get krunk! :pfft: :pfft:

[Tonka]

come on how weak are your wrists that they cant handle facing out wards??

i have crap wrists and have never had any trouble doing dips facing out

Dales actually right NPS, I prefer a straight bar for my weighted dips as well. It keeps my elbows tucked in closer to my body rather than slightly flaring them out when using the V-bars and because of this it feels like my wrist is going to buckle outward. It also doesnt help when the dip bars are designed with a 50-60mm diameter bar, I dont know why they do this but a standard olympic bar diameter (28-30mm) would be much better!

[ngapuhi strong]

come on how weak are your wrists that they cant handle facing out wards??

i have crap wrists and have never had any trouble doing dips facing out

Dales actually right NPS, I prefer a straight bar for my weighted dips as well. It keeps my elbows tucked in closer to my body rather than slightly flaring them out when using the V-bars and because of this it feels like my wrist is going to buckle outward. It also doesnt help when the dip bars are designed with a 50-60mm diameter bar, I dont know why they do this but a standard olympic bar diameter (28-30mm) would be much better!

i find the v bar helps me keep elbows tucked in wen hands facing out

just goes to show i guess that there is many different ways to train as there is people and they all have a place

[SamWelly]

A good routine for shoulders are,

Lateral raises

Front raises

Bent over laterals

Military Presses

Arnold Press

DB Press

Try four out of the 6 per session

Front Delts get hit enough with Incline Bench IMO.

Dips hurt my wrists like a MOFO. I must be a pussy

[Pseudonym]

Not sure how we got onto dips, when we started out talking about behind-the-neck-presses, but since we're now on the subject...

Why would you want to do any dips with palms facing outwards? Surely inwards is a more natural position. What's the advantage of outwards?

I don't have a problem with my wrists (I use a v-shaped machine, grip inwards), but I do have a problem with elbows popping alarmingly if I go heavy. Any suggestions on this?

[ngapuhi strong]

woops if i said palms out in previous posts i meant with the narrow end of v dip bar behind me, my reason for this is i find it helps keep the elbows tucked in especially with a lot of weight added

[Dale]

no we understood you Nga, Tonka and I just don't agree with doing it that way, if the bar is V shaped then I would never do a dip facing outwards to the widest point only facing inwards to the narrowest point, like I said it probably makes no difference if you weigh 80-90kg and are only dipping with 40 or 50kg but it does put a lot of pressure when you go heavy for example Tonka only has to do a bodyweight dip and he is dipping with 150kg+, now add another 60-100kg on and you have 200kg+...by far the straight bar design is the best and there was a good one of these I used once that had one side fixed and the other you could slide in or out, so ideal to move it to just the right position depending on how wide the person was....could set it closer if you want to hit triceps mainly, keeping elbows real close to your sides, or wider to hit the lower chest hard as well as triceps and that was by far my preferred option over decline benching for lower chest, which I didn't do any of.. but if you're happy with everything you're doing then continue on and go hard bro..

[Dale]

I don't have a problem with my wrists (I use a v-shaped machine, grip inwards), but I do have a problem with elbows popping alarmingly if I go heavy. Any suggestions on this?

What do you mean by "popping" Pseudo?

[Pseudonym]

It's difficult to describe, but it's almost like a partial dislocation (without wanting to sound too much like a hyperchondriac!). It's definitely not a good feeling.

Having said that, I've found it can often be managed by doing dips later in the workout when I'm well warmed up, and not going too deep. Some days are better than others though...

[ngapuhi strong]

no we understood you Nga, Tonka and I just don't agree with doing it that way, if the bar is V shaped then I would never do a dip facing outwards to the widest point only facing inwards to the narrowest point, like I said it probably makes no difference if you weigh 80-90kg and are only dipping with 40 or 50kg but it does put a lot of pressure when you go heavy for example Tonka only has to do a bodyweight dip and he is dipping with 150kg+, now add another 60-100kg on and you have 200kg+...by far the straight bar design is the best and there was a good one of these I used once that had one side fixed and the other you could slide in or out, so ideal to move it to just the right position depending on how wide the person was....could set it closer if you want to hit triceps mainly, keeping elbows real close to your sides, or wider to hit the lower chest hard as well as triceps and that was by far my preferred option over decline benching for lower chest, which I didn't do any of.. but if you're happy with everything you're doing then continue on and go hard bro..

fair enough mate i can see where your coming from, yea i'm only 80 od kg and only chucking 20 to 30kg on top of that,

those bars with one side that moves sounds like the shizzal

[Dale]

coming along tho Nga, those shoulders and arms are growing and so is the thickness in your upper back from an early pic I saw a while back..keep it up mate.

[ngapuhi strong]

coming along tho Nga, those shoulders and arms are growing and so is the thickness in your upper back from an early pic I saw a while back..keep it up mate.

thanks mate

[Dale]

Pseudonym, sounds really strange, isn't any way I can see your elbows dislocating..apart from a risk at full lockout if you were to push up into the joint as opposed to tensing the triceps muscle and relaxing so bodyweight comes back onto joint/ligaments and is not held by muscle structures...

i have experienced at the very bottom and pushing up with heavy weight a feeling almost similar to hitting your funny bone as the tendons become fully loaded, maybe private message DeepSouth and see if he can shine some light on it for you if you are concerned....and like you say warmup with some tricep pushdowns or benching before hitting the dips

[Nato]

I hate this exercise with a passion!!!!!! It should be band!!!!!!!

Get some dumbbells dude!!!!!!