powersuits

[mr natural]

this question has probably been asked before but how much does a suit and wraps... ect add to a squat? what sort of increase is one likely to get?

i can get 180kg for 2-3 raw,what would that workout too assisted?

I can do 180kg on the bench for 1 rep,what would a suit give me?

Was watching mike zero's vid's today and was impressed with his squats.Very good for a young guy.

Notice his lifts went up a bit whith the suit ect...

[2guns]

u already look like an idiot, u dnt need a suit bro

[mr natural]

u already look like an idiot, u dnt need a suit bro

ohww you bitch 8)

[Dale]

dont think it adds too much to the deadlift or the squat but i may be wrong and could add 20-30kgs, but can add up to 90kg to bench if you have one of the latest 4 ply designs being used in some federations from what a mate in powerlifting told me, he also told me he gave up when suits came in as he benched 225 without, deadlifted 335 and squatted 345 if my memory serves me right..i never lifted in a contest so never ever even tried a suit on but what a freakin mission gettin in one of those suckers! ....im with 2GUNS on that one, i wouldn't think it would improve your looks but maybe a sheepskin coat will see you scoring with the female species :pfft: \:D/

[Mike Zero]

When I first put a Bench shirt on I only got about 10kgs out of it.You have to train with it and for it to get good carryover. I now get close to 30kgs. A guy from my gym gets 50kgs. Unless you're going to compete in powerlifting I don't see much point in looking into it though.

[Old Bull]

Mr N,

Single Ply which is what Mike Zero uses, Bench Shirt and Squat Suit would give you between 10 to 35%. Depending on tightness and you ability to lockout that extra weight.

Dale is right some of the other federations use Multi Ply 2, 3, plus and Denim, some suits are known to give 100 to 150kgs.

With a 180 raw you might need 220 to touch let alone pause for a press command and push back up. So your tris would have to be doing 230-240kgs raw 3,4,5 board press.

Stay Strong

[mr natural]

When I first put a Bench shirt on I only got about 10kgs out of it.You have to train with it and for it to get good carryover. I now get close to 30kgs. A guy from my gym gets 50kgs. Unless you're going to compete in powerlifting I don't see much point in looking into it though.

thanks for the info was just curious mostly

[Dale]

sort of defeats the whole purpose all this extra stuff, i am sure a lot of the powerlifters would be happy to go back to the NO, NO, NO principle - no suits, no straps and no belt...now that is true human strength! I mean if a suit helps you so much that you cant even touch your chest with your "raw" max that is just fuken ridiculous in my very limited and narrow-minded opinion! When will it stop though? Swimmers in the Olympics now have there own "suits"...and next they'll have flippers and propellers attached to their asses and pretty soon wont even have to kick their own legs or move their arms! Nike probably have designed one right now for the 2020 Olympics! :pfft:

[Mike Zero]

sort of defeats the whole purpose all this extra stuff, i am sure a lot of the powerlifters would be happy to go back to the NO, NO, NO principle - no suits, no straps and no belt...now that is true human strength! I mean if a suit helps you so much that you cant even touch your chest with your "raw" max that is just fuken ridiculous in my very limited and narrow-minded opinion! When will it stop though? Swimmers in the Olympics now have there own "suits"...and next they'll have flippers and propellers attached to their asses and pretty soon wont even have to kick their own legs or move their arms! Nike probably have designed one right now for the 2020 Olympics! :pfft:

I don't think we want to go into this one...

[Old Bull]

sort of defeats the whole purpose all this extra stuff, i am sure a lot of the powerlifters would be happy to go back to the NO, NO, NO principle - no suits, no straps and no belt...now that is true human strength! I mean if a suit helps you so much that you cant even touch your chest with your "raw" max that is just fuken ridiculous in my very limited and narrow-minded opinion! When will it stop though? Swimmers in the Olympics now have there own "suits"...and next they'll have flippers and propellers attached to their asses and pretty soon wont even have to kick their own legs or move their arms! Nike probably have designed one right now for the 2020 Olympics! :pfft:

I don't think we want to go into this one...

:ditto:

We have been down this track before in a previous thread

All Good

[SamWelly]

I like the idea of everything being done raw, aside from where injurys can be prevented (like using a belt with deadlifts...)

I always thought it would be funny to have to explain to someone in a bar that you bench 200kg - but need to wear a tight nylon suit to do it:lol:

[Dale]

sorry guys... :doh:

[big MAC]

I'm currently looking at getting myself a loose-ish squat suit, for the odd powerlifting meet and just incase I feel like going for the NZ u/24 record. Till they get rid of bench shirts (the IPF was 1 vote away from banning them), I've got no real desire to compete in PL much. Powerlifting looks like a circus due to all the gear being worn and as an Oly lifter who has grown up on a NO NO NO diet of lifting, getting crushed by some material doesn't hold much appeal. The NZ Oly lifters used to compete in powerlifting all the time during the off season, but with the onset of better gear, that isn't the case.

[Old Bull]

This issue has come up a couple of times now on here with the SOSDD

I always thought it would be funny to have to explain to someone in a bar that you bench 200kg - but need to wear a tight nylon suit to do it:lol:

Powerlifting looks like a circus due to all the gear being worn and as an Oly lifter who has grown up on a NO NO NO diet of lifting, getting crushed by some material doesn't hold much appeal.

Good to see to two young well informed, competitive athletes like yourselves who are not biased or one eyed to other sports. It has been refreshing to suddleny realise that myself and other PLs are just circus clown's wearing nylon. :clap:

Big M, I presume your sometimes training partners Steve L and Simon W would like this new summary of there years of training. :nod:

Sam W, PLs do not sit in bars, bragging for cougar rites, but you would get more wearing your nylon top. :nod:

I like the idea of everything being done raw, aside from where injurys can be prevented (like using a belt with deadlifts...)

I'm currently looking at getting myself a loose-ish squat suit, for the odd powerlifting meet and just incase I feel like going for the NZ u/24 record. The NZ Oly lifters used to compete in powerlifting all the time during the off season, but with the onset of better gear, that isn't the case.

There is no rule to say you cannot lift raw, there are quite a few lifters who lift without equipment, Every comp we have had in Wellington we have Olys lifting, they are not hot on the bench but Squats and Deads are right up there.

And remember people be safe out there

"Don't Take a Knife to Gun Fight"

DON.doc

[SamWelly]

Haha nothing serious meant by it, just taking the piss

I am sure you look very handsome in your nylon attire :pfft:

First time I saw them was at a CD comp earlier in the year at Powerhouse. Some maniac was repping out 220kg for a warm up :shock: He was twice my size (had to walk sideways through the door) so I wasn't going to hassle him about all the lycra and nylon!

[Old Bull]

Haha nothing serious meant by it, just taking the piss

I am sure you look very handsome in your nylon attire :pfft:

First time I saw them was at a CD comp earlier in the year at Powerhouse. Some maniac was repping out 220kg for a warm up :shock: He was twice my size (had to walk sideways through the door) so I wasn't going to hassle him about all the lycra and nylon!

I wouldn't argue either because I got a larger door for the entrance.

All good Sam

[Tonka]

I like the idea of everything being done raw, aside from where injurys can be prevented (like using a belt with deadlifts...)

I always thought it would be funny to have to explain to someone in a bar that you bench 200kg - but need to wear a tight nylon suit to do it:lol:

...what only 200kg?? pffft! Try explaining a 300kg+ bench :shock:

[big MAC]

Warren, I guess I didn't make my point clearly enough.

I'll be honest, I think bench shirts, with guys walking around with their arms held up like a zombie, make powerlifting into a circus. Simon knows my opinion on that and respects it. Powerlifting in NZ still manages to get more competitors than Oly lifting (from what I have seen), but gear puts new people off.

If I were to stop Oly lifting now and go into PL, would I wear a bench shirt? Of course, otherwise it's bringing a "knife to a gun fight". Simon and Steve are extremely strong in their own right without the gear and I'd guess would probably not care if PL just allowed belts and wraps.

Yes, I'd come compete raw, but the truth is, I'm flat out not strong enough. Powerlifting is about lifting the most weight, not who lifted the most wearing the least gear.

[Old Bull]

Yes, I'd come compete raw, but the truth is, I'm flat out not strong enough.

Jono

I would have to disagree with you on that, your Dead is around 270-280 and you squat 5s at 230-240 ATG. And that is without much PL training, just the Olys.

But I get what you are saying, I have been talking to T and a few others about holding a raw comp just belt and wraps, just got make sure it fits into the IPF rules. And we don't get the old 2 Year no competing buzz carry on. :naughty:

Its All Good

[Old Bull]

Some maniac was repping out 220kg for a warm up :shock: He was twice my size (had to walk sideways through the door)

Introduction

The Manic walking through the door sideways at the BBRo LOL

...what only 200kg?? pffft! Try explaining a 300kg+ bench :shock:

[big MAC]

Yes, I'd come compete raw, but the truth is, I'm flat out not strong enough.

Jono

I would have to disagree with you on that, your Dead is around 270-280 and you squat 5s at 230-240 ATG. And that is without much PL training, just the Olys.

But I get what you are saying, I have been talking to T and a few others about holding a raw comp just belt and wraps, just got make sure it fits into the IPF rules. And we don't get the old 2 Year no competing buzz carry on. :naughty:

Its All Good

Warren, if you have such a comp, I will definitely consider coming down.

Just so you know, while I think Powerlifting has gone overboard, I respect anyone in the iron games who busts their butt to do their best out of love for the sport.

[Tonka]

Warren, if you have such a comp, I will definitely consider coming down.

Just so you know, while I think Powerlifting has gone overboard, I respect anyone in the iron games who busts their butt to do their best out of love for the sport.

I competed RAW in most of my 3 lift provincial champs mainly to get an idea how my strength was going so early in the season after my 1st training cycle. The fact that I did 3-4 less warm up sets for each lift, had more time to relax between lifting sessions because I didnt have to squeeze into the suits and shirts made the RAW experience...FUN! I will admit that there was always that thought in the back of my mind about being more vulnerable when under the big weight without equipment but I had to just put it aside...go out there and dominate the bar.

Some of the RAW numbers I threw around at our Waikato/BOP champs from the past 5 years are:

Squat - 315kg (2004) (just belt - no wraps)

Bench - 260kg (2003) (t-shirt)

Dead - 300kg (2003) (belt)

It comes down to choice really, at ice-breaker meets and even provincials I cant see why people dont lift RAW more often. I believe the qualifying numbers to get to nationals are attainable without equipment. I try and encourage people to just go out there and lift, forget about what the fella in the other squat rack is warming up with or what they are benching, its all about our own personal battle against the iron and improving.

You would have enjoyed the Auckland ice-breaker Big Mac back on the 15/3. Many of the lifters (from memory there were 24) that competed that day were novice and all but 2-3 competed RAW.

Stay strong bro and hope to see you on the "darkside of the force" platform.

YEAH BUDDY!!

[Dale]

Tonka you're a f**ken freak! now train that bloody deadlift harder!

[Tonka]

Tonka you're a f**ken freak! now train that bloody deadlift harder!

...if only you did powerlifting at a competitive level Dale :shock: !! You're one that got away......and to think, Id probably still be chasing your records.... :wink:

[Dale]

you know that aint true mate but coming from you it is a real compliment