best non steroid stack

[Dale]

without wanting to sound like an advert!..didn't join the site to do so, but will say my 2cents worth on this subject...i do massively rate the combination of a tribulus/ecdysterone/zinc&magnesium supplement with an excdysterone/methoxy supplement (has added B-vits, minerals) and I agree massively with MichaelK on L-glutamine (large heaped tablespoon at a time) for immune system support but would add I take and recommend to athletes I have advised taking it with up to 3000mg Vitamin C for best immune effect (minimum 1000mg)...

i also take an iron supplement with vitamin C, folic acid and an A,C and E supplement from the supermarket (red seal I think)....used to use a pure whey concentrate powder for many years when younger but now use a whey concentrate/whey isolate/micellar casein/colostrum powder with added BCAAs and finding it very very good.....anyway advert over!

[nzmusclemonster]

Amino acids

Kre Alkalyne

Multivitamin

Tribulus

Vanadyl

ZMA

Glutamine

Amino Acids are very underated but I definately notice the difference when I include them. Combined with vanadyl they give the muscles that 'hard' look.

Glutamine in the mornings and after training for recovery and general well being.

Kre Alkalyne pre training for increased strength and endurance.

ZMA for the best nights sleep you'll have (not to mention dreams like you're on acid!)

Tribilus to keep test levels high.

Also I don't like the word "steroid"... if we're talking about drugs relating to bodybuilding AAS (anabolic androgenic steroids) would be more accurate.

[AgentOrange]

nzmms standard of posts is definitely on the up and up. good shit mate

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[Luigi]

nzmms standard of posts is definitely on the up and up. good shit mate

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i know, hes actually said something usefull for once :shock: :clap:

[2guns]

i found his previous postings quite useful too actually

[blairandkelly]

some of his borderline posts , ....ya just cant help but have a lil chuckle

[Flamer]

lol - it was a FEMALE trainer that recommended it (a well known one too). But, makes sense why I felt it was a waste of time & money :doh:

Yeah probably Joe Stewart.

Nope, wrong federation!

[IronGame]

lol - it was a FEMALE trainer that recommended it (a well known one too). But, makes sense why I felt it was a waste of time & money :doh:

Yeah probably Joe Stewart.

Nope, wrong federation!

I believe it has more to do with controling Estrogen levels rather than raising Testosterone, but don't really know the mechanics of action of trib so cant really comment on its effectiveness other than some woman do swear by it.

[Flex]

From a previous post I made about Tribulus and females. Tribulus won't have too much of an effect on T levels in women as it increase LH hormone not testosterone directly. LH is responsible for triggering production or Testosterone in the testes - as women lack this rather vital component they aren't going to see to much of an effect on their T levels.

In females LH stimulates the ovaries, triggering ovulation and increased production of estrogen and progesterone.

There is some anabolic effect associated with increased estrogen, however high estrogen will also result in increased water retention as it stimulates sodium reabsorption. Increasing estrogen levels will also stimulate the female pattern of fat deposit.

In saying that, increased Progesterone actually decreases sodium reabsorption and will have a diuretic effect whilst also increasing body temperature. It is possible that in some females using tribulus may increase Progesterone levels more than estrogen and so it may have a diuretic effect and a slight thermogenic effect.

[frogie2001]

has anyone tried that animal stak or any of the others that they make? just reading all the above and it seems that some of those animal packs include most of them.

cheers,

[Marcus]

I have been taking Tribex and a ZMA supplement at night. The only thing I have really noticed is I'm getting better recovery through my sleep.

I also rate BCAA's highly. They are a staple in my diet.

[bj powerL]

I'm using the SAN fierce for focus and strength, Nutrex Vitrix and a 100% whey, a good multi, fish oils, l-glutamine for repair.

WHAT MORE CAN A POOR BOY DO? =P~

[bj powerL]

hellyeah, the BCAA's too. The protein has it in just in small quantities but they are a must man

[diamond]

I would have to highly recommend Biotest's Carbolin 19. I only did 1 month on it, but came up pretty hard at the end of that month. Biotest claim it is similar to Anavar - not having tried Anavar I can't confirm that. Worth checking out.

Have been using carbilin 19 for 6 weeks now at max dose and have another 6 weeks to go. Have noticed a big difference in strength and my weight has gone from 82 to 85 kg and my bf % has not increased.

Have never used anything stronger than creatine in the past, and after using that a couple of times never really found it to give me any substantial gains, but this carbolin 19 is awesome.

It's fairly expensive but if you are natural and want to try something that might get you through a bit of a plateau i reckon this stuff is worth a shot.

My bro is on it as well and is getting the same strength / weight gains.

Another good thing about the stuff is that you don't need to cycle it.

[Hennie]

My personal favorite is Hyperdrol-2 by AX, there is quite a few interesting discussions on H2 on anabolicminds, pans out to be very similar to the 6-oxo by Ergopharm, the main active ingredient is 6-Bromo and by my opinion works better than the 6-oxo,used them both and could honestly see a hardening effect with the H2 within the first few days,both work mainly by inhibiting estrogen,so water retention drops as well,according to AX,the H2 also increase free testosterone levels,I must say I also experienced a mild strength and Libido increase. :twisted:

Regarding the Animal M stack ,heard good claims for hardening up due to nutrient partitioning effects of it,the new revised version also have 3grams of BCAA in and ajuga turkestanica which is not that widely use but have some good reviews as well.

[diamond]

in your opinion whats a good creatine hennie ?

[Hennie]

Not to hijack this thread but because you asked I will give strictly my opinion........

I can honestly tell you anything with good old Monohydrate, I know there is a lot of scientific grounds to proof that all the esters and their variants do work but whenever I reverted back to using something with Creatine Monohydrate and proper loading I always had results either by markable strength increases or someone saying you got a bit bigger. Lots of people are scared of the added water retention that comes with monohydrate but once you cycle it off obviously that goes away as well.

Nutrex Vitargo was an awesome product but is being replaced by Volu Grow, Nutrex claims it is due to waxy maize being even better than Vitargo which was added to enhance the absorption of their creatine ,........but then the Vitargo rights in the states was bought out by one of the founders of EAS a short while ago which is starting another brand with it.......(who knows what to believe?)

Creatines with dextrose work well but I get hypo with it so it is not really an option for me.

Regarding so called "third generation" creatines I have tried quite a few and between them liked the Storm ,good value as well, and just by feedback assume that Sizeon by Gaspari rocks ,but I can't justify that as I haven't used sizeon. I will be running some Volu Grow soon to see if it lives up to the hype and the Muscletech kinda adds that Nutrex does nowadays........Mmmm are you considering something to use soon? if you are willing to wait a bit why don't you test it for us with a log on this site, we will supply the product \:D/ ....you supply the workouts :clap: and feedback...let me know what you think...

[diamond]

yeah sweet. I'm keen to have a decent crack at a couple of cycles of creatine.

[diamond]

do you compete hennie ? If so what class

[Hennie]

Nope, looking at having a go next year,have been out of training for two years.....back for a few weeks now,slowly getting into it again,will you be competing at IFBB next month?

[diamond]

no but i might go and have a look. did the welly show in april. need to renew my love affair with pizza/donuts etc before i can consider another diet.

[MBasevi]

Not to sound like a fool, but whats a "stack"? honest question here.

[diamond]

apart from what you have in front of you on the poker table it's also a term used to describe different supplements taken together to hopefully give better results than taking them by themself

[MBasevi]

apart from what you have in front of you on the poker table it's also a term used to describe different supplements taken together to hopefully give better results than taking them by themself

ah alrite. cheers. im learning al the terminoligy slowly. ha.

[Flex]

My personal favorite is Hyperdrol-2 by AX, there is quite a few interesting discussions on H2 on anabolicminds, pans out to be very similar to the 6-oxo by Ergopharm, the main active ingredient is 6-Bromo and by my opinion works better than the 6-oxo,used them both and could honestly see a hardening effect with the H2 within the first few days,both work mainly by inhibiting estrogen,so water retention drops as well,according to AX,the H2 also increase free testosterone levels,I must say I also experienced a mild strength and Libido increase. :twisted:

Regarding the Animal M stack ,heard good claims for hardening up due to nutrient partitioning effects of it,the new revised version also have 3grams of BCAA in and ajuga turkestanica which is not that widely use but have some good reviews as well.

The question was for the best non steroid stack - Hyperdrol-H2 contains 6-bromo aka 6-bromoandrostenedione (6-bromo-androst-4-ene-3,17-dione) which by classification is a steroid and certainly not legally available OTC in NZ.

6-oxo is banned in NZ too.