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frogie2001

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hey all, a few months away from my next show now but time to start dieting a bit harder and supplementing to keep the gains over the last year. What is the best non-steroid supplemental regime. last one consisted of

EFA, protein powder, creatine, amino acids, and a thermogenic

However I HAVE TRIED THe animal stack, trib (which didn't do too much)

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hey all, a few months away from my next show now but time to start dieting a bit harder and supplementing to keep the gains over the last year. What is the best non-steroid supplemental regime. last one consisted of

EFA, protein powder, creatine, amino acids, and a thermogenic

However I HAVE TRIED THe animal stack, trib (which didn't do too much)

My stack left-out the BCAA's - mornings was creatine, carnitine, aspirin, post-wo tribulus and ZMA, and trib/zma last thing at night (after cardio). Reckon the trib helped stop lean-muscle loss - among other things :grin:

I think it might need some fine-tuning, and when I start a 10-week fatburner again I'll be looking at whether HMB and BCAAs are needed. Haven't tried adding in a thermo yet, reckon I've still got too much b'fat (i.e. haven't got down to the 'stubborn' stuff yet, still working on the easy bit!)

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I would have to highly recommend Biotest's Carbolin 19. I only did 1 month on it, but came up pretty hard at the end of that month. Biotest claim it is similar to Anavar - not having tried Anavar I can't confirm that. Worth checking out.

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I would have to highly recommend Biotest's Carbolin 19. I only did 1 month on it, but came up pretty hard at the end of that month. Biotest claim it is similar to Anavar - not having tried Anavar I can't confirm that. Worth checking out.

i 2 have heard this, i have also heard that it is not similar to anavar but they wish it was :lol:

TFB whats with the aspirin ?? headache ? or am i missing something...

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Biotest's Carbolin 19??????????

Never heard of it, whats the basics on it?

I would personally say don't waste your money on HMB, used it and it didn't do zip. In saying that though if you haven't tried it give it a go. Some sort of legal testosterone booster may also be a good option.

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Biotest's Carbolin 19??????????

Never heard of it, whats the basics on it?

I would personally say don't waste your money on HMB, used it and it didn't do zip. In saying that though if you haven't tried it give it a go. Some sort of legal testosterone booster may also be a good option.

Hey WL, there is a thread on Carbolin 19 somehere on here, not long ago. Either that or read the garb on Biotests NZ web page. All supp companies blow ass - so I guess you can take what they say with the usual grain of salt, but it certainly worked for me.

Wouldn't rate trib or HMB either. But, I think different bods respond to different supps. My last trainer swore by trib, tried it all last season - didn't find any noticable benefits.

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prolly coz trib dusnt work in women

talked to tom terry about it, he bagged it all the way

its actived by the males natural testosterone in the testes or summin yadda yadda, straight up itl work for men not chicks, coz of diff bits

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Yeah i have had a mixed result with trib. I guess it did harden me a bit, but i actually managed to get acne off it. ZMA didn't do anything, complete waste of money.

Fat burning I have had a good combination of hydroxy cut and EFA's. that and dropping the creating at the right time. I have heard of using something called 6-oxo to harden up

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Biotest's Carbolin 19??????????

Never heard of it, whats the basics on it?

I would personally say don't waste your money on HMB, used it and it didn't do zip. In saying that though if you haven't tried it give it a go. Some sort of legal testosterone booster may also be a good option.

Hey WL, there is a thread on Carbolin 19 somehere on here, not long ago. Either that or read the garb on Biotests NZ web page. All supp companies blow ass - so I guess you can take what they say with the usual grain of salt, but it certainly worked for me.

Wouldn't rate trib or HMB either. But, I think different bods respond to different supps. My last trainer swore by trib, tried it all last season - didn't find any noticable benefits.

Good one, thanks I'll have a look for it.

Surprised nobody has said get Lipo6 its prob one of the best products out there for fat burning prior to comp.

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Biotest's Carbolin 19??????????

Never heard of it, whats the basics on it?

I would personally say don't waste your money on HMB, used it and it didn't do zip. In saying that though if you haven't tried it give it a go. Some sort of legal testosterone booster may also be a good option.

Hey WL, there is a thread on Carbolin 19 somehere on here, not long ago. Either that or read the garb on Biotests NZ web page. All supp companies blow ass - so I guess you can take what they say with the usual grain of salt, but it certainly worked for me.

Wouldn't rate trib or HMB either. But, I think different bods respond to different supps. My last trainer swore by trib, tried it all last season - didn't find any noticable benefits.

Good one, thanks I'll have a look for it.

Surprised nobody has said get Lipo6 its prob one of the best products out there for fat burning prior to comp.

correction, our lipo6 sucks, the american stuff lipo6X contains yohimbine n maybe ephedrine but cant member, anyway its a shitload better, we get all the much weaker versions due to regs.

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for me I found L Glutamine a must, 2 heaped teaspoons a day, i use it to keep my immune system cranking so i can do my job while dieteing without getting sick, I serioulsy rate it and can feel the difference when not on it.

One peice of advice I can give is that what works for one doesn't neccessarily work for anothe and visa versa, and so unfortunatley there is some trial and error. Personally I don't rate HMB (but was given some free so used it during my last diet just on the off chance it made a half % difference), yet Richard Patterson (Olympic Lifter) really rates it high.

Great idea for a post question though, opens up some really good discussion.

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