NZFBB and Drug Testing

[tallulahangie]

At the upcoming NZFBB AGM on 12 June, there's going to be a motion put forward where NZFBB is proposing to drop drug testing.

This is probably to explain why they had a stall for steroids at the NZFBB Auckland comp.

[frogie2001]

did they have that stall??? where abouts were they, all I saw was the protein standard. When is the AGM>>.??

[Mossley]

I'm not sure what everyone else thinks of this but I don't think they should drop it. I like the fact that I can compete against other 'natural' people. I know that there aren't many females that use steroids and certainly not in the figure class. And I also know that there are still guys that compete for NZFBB that are definitely on steroids, I mean their guest poser uses them! But to me bodybuilding is about what you can do with your body by pushing it to the limits......naturally.

[Growth]

I dont see why they dont just have natural and non-natural. If you want to compete as a natural then they can do tests on them, if you are completing at a non-natural then obviously you dont need to be tested.

[frogie2001]

I tend to agree. I think that if they have a two categories, one natural and one that isn't that will save all types of confusion. I think that is why NABBA is seeming more succesful lately to NZFBB. they don't do testing and they get some fantastic physiques? I also feel that the testing is a bit of an overkill, maybe f it were at professional level, getting paid for it, i would understand completely but this is only a hobby in NZ.

would you test the 3rd 15 social rugby team from the Waitemata rugby club? how can it be different?

[muffinman]

true they dont test nabba so if someone is juiced up then they should stick to nabba, nzfbb should have very strict rules with testing, it sucks that someone can come over on gear get on stage and blow everyone away, all they got to do to avoid being tested is leave straight away and put down a false adress on the declaration form and go back over to nabba comps.

they will never test people in the pros because most of the sponsors that make the supplements are also co owned or have ties in with the companys that make roids, ( was told this by a pro bb ) so they are not going to test their own guys they sponsor and get them booted.

makes me laugh hearing ronnie coleman say, 'i dont use drugs, i thank god for my genetics' yeah right ronnie, take your hand off it pal.

[frogie2001]

they will never test people in the pros because most of the sponsors that make the supplements are also co owned or have ties in with the companys that make roids, ( was told this by a pro bb )

I did not know that link was there. :shifty: but i agree about the shifting from one fed to another. i reckon stay in one or the other. but look at the numbers that entered the NZFBB. it seems that the "clean" comp doesn't drum the interest at the moment (not putting it down because I enjoy the NZFBB comps) the numbers are pretty skewed, and i think they are looking at ways to bring more competitors over.

[deegee]

In the states they run a separate natural only comp which is fully testsed but it is a lot more low key than the other comps.

Ronnie going on about his great genetics as if thats all he relies on to win is a disgrace, I have nothing against steroids for competitions as long as it is a least partially acknowledged I guess ronnie as an ex cop and the current legal situation with gear in the US its not going to happen.

[muffinman]

yup there should be naturals only comps that are very strict on the rules but someone mentioned about the cost of testing, so there will always be roid users entering the natural comps, especially here in nz where testing everyone is just not going to happen. i dont have a problem with guys using gear that is there buisness as long as they stick to nabba etc,

but unforntunately someone with an awesome nzfbb body wont get anywhere in worlds as you will get nabba monsters cleaning up.

i guess that is why people stray over to the dark side, to win.

the only way of promoting non natural is to not test, if it was called 'non natural' and people admitted it you would probably get the police coming over and asking questions.

[big brontson]

If nzfbb drop the "drug testing" banner in order to get more members they may lose their support from sparc, the nzfbb may become just another chemical circus that has nothing to do with sport or health and is essentially allowing for illegal substances.There will always be druggies no matter what but lets have some controls over the extent by keeping it "drug tested",which is never done anyway so they wont save anything.Nabba fees are cheaper that could be a major draw card to getting more members,and if nzfbb were more staunchly natural "on paper " perhaps they could get another goverment sponsor to help lower membership and entry fees.I dont care if someone makes a choice to take drugs but let me enter in my mind under the natural banner.

but I do agree with the other notice of motion :that existing members of nzfbb should not have to re-join if they compete for another organisation.

[frogie2001]

I think that it needs to be remembered that their are a few sups that are picked up in these tests too, isn't caffeine on the list? I personally feel that at the level of competition that the amatuers are at it should become a choice. fair enough do the testing on the day for the big boys. but their isn't any real prize money and this is only done as a hobby/sport. maybe if it were for national pride or they made it an olympic competition i would be all for it. self satisfaction of achievement is reward enough i think

[big brontson]

the best way to go would be to join and compete for the new zealand INBA and then onto the musclemania(not fullproof natural, but not ifbb pro material), which i would seriously consider depending on what starts comming out of the woodwork if the nzfbb drop drug testing. 8)

[Pseudonym]

but I do agree with the other notice of motion :that existing members of nzfbb should not have to re-join if they compete for another organisation.

As I understand it, there are two other notices of motion...

1) that existing members of nzfbb should not have to re-join (ie, re-pay) if they compete for another organisation.

2) that existing members of nzfbb should not have to re-qualify for the nationals (ie, re-compete) if they compete for another organisation.

Which one are you referring to? (Or is it both?!)

[big brontson]

the re-join one, ie repay the $45 fee if they are already members.

[frogie2001]

does anyone know what the AGM concluded with regards to Moe's motion to give up the testing on anyone that isn't representing at the national level?