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[2guns]

NZMM, u are not going to get the answers u are looking for unfortunatly

[2guns]

also its not about how much u weigh on stage at all.

wat does someone like mark dugdale weight? 92kg? and wat do some of the elite boys weigh on the weekend?

saying weight is everything is abit silly

[rigger]

To clarify. To earn your IFBB Pro card in New Zealand you have to firstly do some NZFBB Contests and then win a Open class weight division and the National Champs. The Overall National champion can generally if he wants, Apply and get his Pro card through the NZFBB. These are the general rules in which to get a IFBB pro card. The application is then discussed at the NZFBB executive meeting and if all is good then the application goes to the IFBB. It is all above board so if you think you have the goods then that is the process but firstly you need to get on stage and win at the Nationals.

[michaelk]

Thats exactly what I thought for both of them. Mike won the Federations nationals one time, so what we gonna make every Mr NZ a Pro????? Come on what a joke

your welcome to your opinion about me Bluto but here are a few correct facts for you.

I have won 4 National titles in NZ (3x Nationals and 1x Pan Pacific), i have represented NZ at the Australasian Titles where i won against a field of 7 others including a Aus National champ (who got 4th that day), I was selected to represent NZ at the Commonwealth Champs before the plug was pulled on that competition.

And in winning my last National title (in the Light heavy division) I also won the Overall title against a very good large field including a couple of well over 90kg monsters.

Anyone is welcome to apply, whether they chose to is there decision, I personally have never had an interest in going to the World Champs so the pro's was the logical step. Whilst I knew I wouldn't have the size required the first time round, I also knew the value of experience and sure enough learnt more in those last two shows (about myself, my body, and competition) than I had in the previous 10, and will be better for it.

Hope you enjoyed the show anyway.

[michaelk]

also its not about how much u weigh on stage at all.

wat does someone like mark dugdale weight? 92kg? and wat do some of the elite boys weigh on the weekend?

saying weight is everything is abit silly

exactly, in melbourne Dexter was 105kg, Martin from Sweeden was 127kg (I can personally vouch for this as I saw the scales when he hoped on them),

who won?

[nzmusclemonster]

also its not about how much u weigh on stage at all.

wat does someone like mark dugdale weight? 92kg? and wat do some of the elite boys weigh on the weekend?

saying weight is everything is abit silly

Exactly!

Look at Frank Zane.... at 5"9, he won the Holy Grail of bodybuilding (the Mr Olympia title) 3 times at a weight of 180 pounds (81 kilos :shock: )

[ngapuhi strong]

also its not about how much u weigh on stage at all.

wat does someone like mark dugdale weight? 92kg? and wat do some of the elite boys weigh on the weekend?

saying weight is everything is abit silly

exactly, in melbourne Dexter was 105kg, Martin from Sweeden was 127kg (I can personally vouch for this as I saw the scales when he hoped on them),

who won?

i think we should all give mike a big round of aplouse, i personaly think he looked great in the pics i saw, am looking ford to seeing mike kick ass in future,

mike how much did you weigh in at at the two cpmps??

[michaelk]

i think we should all give mike a big round of aplouse, i personaly think he looked great in the pics i saw, am looking ford to seeing mike kick ass in future,

mike how much did you weigh in at at the two cpmps??

right, heres some no bullshit answers to bodywieght,

In Melbourne two days out I was 94.35kg at 3.87%, in the morning was probably around the 92kg, and by night was 91.5kg, Salah was 83.5k, martin as I said at night was 127kg, Sergey was 122kg, and Bola estimated he was 88kg, up from his Pro debut of 2003 where he was 83kg). bodybuilding.com has Oliver at 244lbs (110kg) i can tell you Oliver told me his weight was 100kg, and Troy said his was around 101kg, which is up on what he used to compete at, check his pics from a few years back.

In Auckland, I carb loaded my ring out -so was likely onstage around the 95kg mark, I weighed in at 96.5 the day before (where Moe estimated my weight to be 92kg judging by my gaunt ripped face)- this weigh in was bs though as I had on track pants , a sweatshirt and training boots, and if I could have gotten away with it would have put a 15kg db in my pocket.

today I have veins inmy abs still, am around the 4.5-5% mark and am on the scales at 102kg......it easter:)

but don't worry, I'll be on the money for my Wellington guest pose, and for those who didn't make it up to Auckland, i'm putting on the full show version of my contest routine, and anyone who want pics after, thats what I'll be there for, shirt on or off shaking hands or posing, whatever the ticket holders want, thats what I'm there for!

Hope to see you all there supporting the Wellington bodybuilding scene.

[Dumbelldog]

Good on you Michael, Personally I thought you looked bloody good in Auckland and to be honest better that I expected so there you go. I think you did a great job up there and deserved better than you got but bodybuilding is like that as I'm sure you are aware.

Keep up the hard work my friend and the body weight and accolades will come in time. We all know or should know that it takes years and bloody years to get the body weight up and has been said before at the end of the day it isn't always about the weight anyway, mass for the sake of mass just doesn't work sometimes. I'm sure you are more than aware of all that as well. Anyway from my perspective keep doing what you do because I believe you are on the right track.

:grin:

[mr natural]

what i find a little hard to except when getting your pro card is the fact a hell of a lot of awesome b/b over many years never got a procard even though they had fantistic builds.Some of these guys would totally put to shame any mr nz winner.

correct me if i'm wrong but did Moe not recieve his pro card in NZ?

Is NZ an easier place to get a pro card???

I think if you are a pro then that should mean you met some sort of general standard of excellence.

We are talking about a world wide tier of elite body builders here.

My point is this,in a subjective sport such as bodybuilding what is the bench mark for getting a pro card?is there one?If so what are the requirements as some guys that should have got them never did and some guys that have there's should not on that basis of comparison.

[rigger]

Mr Natural go back and read my earlier post on Pro applications.

So her were these people that never got a Pro Card? Perhaps the criteria was different at the time? Perhaps they never applied for one? Perhaps they never fulfilled the criteria for a Pro card? Who were these people and when?

[mr natural]

Mr Natural go back and read my earlier post on Pro applications.

So her were these people that never got a Pro Card? Perhaps the criteria was different at the time? Perhaps they never applied for one? Perhaps they never fulfilled the criteria for a Pro card? Who were these people and when?

ok, i will have a look for it and have a read.

what i'm refering to is overseas athlete's such as in the states ect...where you have to look like a pro to have a chance of get your pro card.Read the mag's and you'll see heaps of them.

In comparison to NZ guys quailfying for theirs, there really is no comparison.

What i'm saying is NZ looks a much easier place to get a pro card than else where.

Is it a good thing or a bad thing? perhaps,perhaps not.

What i do say is our new pro's are not yet on the same par as other new pro's coming through from elsewhere.

It will interesting to see how mike an sahal go over the next few years and who gets the next pro card. best of luck to both.hats off to them.

[Dumbelldog]

what i find a little hard to except when getting your pro card is the fact a hell of a lot of awesome b/b over many years never got a procard even though they had fantistic builds.Some of these guys would totally put to shame any mr nz winner.

correct me if i'm wrong but did Moe not recieve his pro card in NZ?

Is NZ an easier place to get a pro card???

I think if you are a pro then that should mean you met some sort of general standard of excellence.

We are talking about a world wide tier of elite body builders here.

My point is this,in a subjective sport such as bodybuilding what is the bench mark for getting a pro card?is there one?If so what are the requirements as some guys that should have got them never did and some guys that have there's should not on that basis of comparison.

Are you sure that these guys you speak of actually wanted a procard? Maybe you are, just asking, but what I do know is that there are guys out there that could get a procard tomorrow if they wished but don't want one.

[MUSCLEROIDS]

Do your home work Moe did not get this pro card in NZ.

If you new what went on back then you will see it is better to go overseas to get a pro card. That goes for all the Pacific Islands.

[mr natural]

Do your home work Moe did not get this pro card in NZ.

If you new what went on back then you will see it is better to go overseas to get a pro card. That goes for all the Pacific Islands.

well the standard seems to be higher oversea's,not much debate there.

he got tested positive in04 after winning mr nz right?if not he would have got his card then?

are you getting at who nzfbb/or the powers that be, decide to test and who gets left alone?

ok, what went on back then?do tell!

[michaelk]

Mr Natural, you seem to be somewhat out of the loop to the piont its getting ridiculous, these people you claim wanted their Pro cards but did not get them, please can you name them. In the meantime I'll name the 12 Winners of the Overall Mr NZ and who took their Pro cards, who did not and to the best of my knowledge WHY.

1994 BJ Johns Applied and took the card

1995 Kevin OGrady Applied and took the card

1996 Mark Stewart Offered and declined

1997 Hugh Willis Declined option (personally said to me "I'd

rather be a good amateur than a bad Pro)

1998, 2000, 2007 Mike Debenham

Declined option- Going to the 2008 Worlds

1999 Justin Rys Applied and took card

2001 Phil Kulklinski Declined Option -Went to the Worlds twice

2002 Brian Mcfarlane Declined Option

2003 Joe Ulberg Declined Option -competed in MULTIPLE Worlds

2004 Moe El Moussawi Granted card due to Mediterranian Champs

win PRIOR to Nationals

2005 Darryl Tomulii Application refused after drug test failure at

2005 Nationals

2006 Mike Kingsnorth Applied and Granted -After 16 YEARS Competing

exclusively for NZFBB, winning 4 National and 1

International Title- not exctly handed card on a

plate huh?????

2008 Mike Debenham- oops getting a little ahead of myself:)

now the NZFBB have also granted Pro cards to Marc Rainbow, winner of 2 Open national titles in Under 75 and 75-80kg category, Dave Smith- winner of the 1997 Pro Qualifier comp held at the Pan Pacifics and Salah Ibrahim, 2006 Under 85k Open winner.

Now I'm not trying to debate who deserved or didn't deserve their card, merely pointing out that of those that qualified, a significant number did NOT want to have the card, they aspired to other dreams. I know this because all but one have told me first hand!

Again can you tell me who these people you know who have applied or deserved their cards are that didn't get them, because thats a pretty deserving list I've put up there, and if they are so deserving, why haven't they simply just stepped up- won the Overall at the nationals and then applied- it'll be "handed to them on a platter" too?

[MasterTel]

Awesome posts, Mike! It's exactly this type of behaviour, attitude, knowledge, passion and humility which Mike displays that, apart from having a worthy physique, typifies what a Professional bodybuilder is all about!

Sure, a bodybuilder is judged perhaps 90% on how they present their physique on stage, enhanced by their attitude and personality (i.e. the other 10%). But, for me, the mark of a true professional bodybuilder, or any sportsperson for that matter, is how they portray themselves as human beings. I'm sure many of you who had the chance to meet and talk to some of the Pros at the show last week would appreciate what genuine, obliging and inspiring people there Pro bodybuilders are.

Instead of questioning how easy or hard it is for NZ bodubuilders to gain pro-status, perhaps we should embrace what Moe, Mike and Salah are doing for bodybuilding in this country, as well as the other NZ IFBB Pros who have preceeded them. These guys (and ladies like Jo Stewart) are putting NZ bodybuilding very much on the World map - and getting some of the World's top bodybuilders and officials here will surely enhance this.

My appreciation of all this is why I'm proud to have Mike as the guest poser at the NZFBB Wellington Champs next month. So, if you can make it to Wellington on April 12, you will have a chance to see and talk to Mike and also appreciate that being a Professional bodybuilder is not just about what you see on stage!

[2guns]

MR NATURAL the answer to yopur question is becasur the nzfbb has drug testing therefore the people getting the pro cards are clean (or suposedly clean) when they win the pro card as opposed to other countrys where they win them on all geared up, there is proof of this when u look at the nabba nationals last year compared to the nzfbb...as far as the heavyweights go wat was better? get wat im saying? i didnt think it was that hard to work out.

now that they have ther pro card they dont need to worry bout that, so time will tell to how good they will be

[mr natural]

MR NATURAL the answer to yopur question is becasur the nzfbb has drug testing therefore the people getting the pro cards are clean (or suposedly clean) when they win the pro card as opposed to other countrys where they win them on all geared up, there is proof of this when u look at the nabba nationals last year compared to the nzfbb...as far as the heavyweights go wat was better? get wat im saying? i didnt think it was that hard to work out.

now that they have ther pro card they dont need to worry bout that, so time will tell to how good they will be

ppffttt!clean! lol who was it that ran away after he won the under 85kg for his pro card so he did not get tested?does your memory need refreshing?

[samoan_muscle]

MR NATURAL the answer to yopur question is becasur the nzfbb has drug testing therefore the people getting the pro cards are clean (or suposedly clean) when they win the pro card as opposed to other countrys where they win them on all geared up, there is proof of this when u look at the nabba nationals last year compared to the nzfbb...as far as the heavyweights go wat was better? get wat im saying? i didnt think it was that hard to work out.

now that they have ther pro card they dont need to worry bout that, so time will tell to how good they will be

ppffttt!clean! lol who was it that ran away after he won the under 85kg for his pro card so he did not get tested?does your memory need refreshing?

Supposedly would be the key word in 2G's statement...

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[mr natural]

What New Zealand Bodybuilding needs is no politics.

One Federation open to all, no drug testing for competitors over the age of 25yrs, and good judges.

For a country this small to have NABBA and NZFBB dividing the talent makes no sense. One big high quality National organisation would encouage real competitors to take the stage.

yeah true that.