Legally bringing banned substances???

[rnyland]

I am coming from the USA, and have been communicating with the MOH and Customs. So far the MOH said these supplements, for example superpump 250, is banned for DISTRIBUTION. "The DS Regulations relate to distribution (e.g. commercial supply, sale, gift etc)." And this person didn't know if that meant I could bring them in with me for personal use. I am waiting for a reply from customs. Anyone have any info on this. If this works I'm probably going to get off the plane with a suicase full of protein, one full of preworkout and creatine, and maybe a clean pair of boxers. I assume clothing is cheaper to buy than protein in NZ!

[Pseudonym]

Hah! I wouldn't assume anything of the sort. Each new bit of underwear I buy seems to be more expensive than the last...

As for bringing in a suitcase of supplements, I don't know whether you'd get away with that or not. Two things occur to me though:

- Depending on the quantity you're bringing in, you might run into trouble convincing customs it really is for personal use.

- Depending on the value of what you bring in, there may be extra duties to pay on it.

I don't know enough about the importing regulations to be able to say definitively that either of those will be a problem, but they're things I'd check.

Good luck - let us know how you get on.

[rnyland]

Hey Pseudonym,

I will keep you posted. I would be concerned about them thinking it's not for personal use, so that may limit it. But from what I've read, if you are coming from another country and have been in that country for more than 1 year and are coming to NZ with a form of residence you don't have to pay duties. Apparently the first part of the clause prevents someone from sopping over in another country to bring back cheap stuff. Still waiting to hear from customs.

Love the site, very informative!

[SamWelly]

Cough Repackage it into non banned Tubs cough

[Flex]

In theory the only things you would have problem bringing into the country should be products with ingredients that are prescription only in NZ - yohimbine, dhea, ephedrine, vincamine etc unless you had a prescription for them.

SuperPump has too much B12 for OTC retail sale but can be sold in a pharmacy. Which means that you can bring it in, but only for personal use ie two or three units. Commercial quantities will be stopped unless you have a licence to import it and are selling it in a pharmacy.

Anything with egg in it will get confiscated by MAF for biosecurity reasons so you could have problems with some protein powders.

These products all have prescription only ingredients:

• AST Dymetadrine Xtreme

• Axis Labs PHIRE, Axis Labs Adipo-X

• Biotest Hotrox Extreme, Biotest Hotrox (5x Faster Fatloss), Biotest Spike, Biotest MD6

• BSN Atrophex

• Dymatize Dyma-Burn Xtreme

• Instone LeanFire.v2 Inferno

• Muscletech Hydroxycut Hardcore, Muscletech Nano X9, Muscletech Nano Vapor, MuscleTech Shredded Stack

• Nutrex Lipo 6

• S.A.N. Tight

• Twinlab Male Fuel

• Universal Nutrition Hard Fast

• VPX Redline, VPX Meltdown

• iSatori MX-LS7 Maximum Strength Lean System 7, Isatori ISA-Test 2x

• BSN No-Xplode

• Gaspari Halodrol Liquigels

• Universal Animal Test

• Legal Gear Liquid Masterdrol, Methyl Masterdrol, Legalgear LipoBurn

• MHP Dren

• Syntrax Fyre

These products have quantities of ingredients that make them pharmacy only:

Gaspari Super Pump250, Gaspari Size On (powder and tabs) (B12, possible problems with Turkesterone in SP250)

All ZMA supplements (Zinc)

Animal Pak (Zinc)

BSN Axis HT (Zinc)

Animal Stak (Zinc)

Muscletech Hydroxycut (Potassium)

Ultimate Orange (B12)

These products are banned as prohormones:

Gaspari Novedex (ATD)

Ergopharm 6-OXO, 6 OXO Extreme

Legal Gear Methyl 1D

M1T

All Andro's/norandro's etc

[You Know Who]

Cough Repackage it into non banned Tubs cough

Haha customs have already caught onto that one my friend...

[bj powerL]

Add to that the:

Cytodyne Xenadrine EFX (theophylline)

[Flex]

Add to that the:

Cytodyne Xenadrine EFX (theophylline)

Have you had trouble with Xenadrine EFX?

Theophylline is a bronchodilator and listed as a prescription only med in NZ however the Theophylline in Xenadrine is a naturally occurring alkaloid or methlyxanthine of guarana, it also occurs in coffee, tea and cocoa. I wouldn't have thought that this should be a problem. By listing theophylline on the label all they are essentially doing is stating a natural component that occurs in the guarana. I don't believe that they would have added pure Theophylline as an ingredient as it is also a prescription med in the USA.

If customs stop everything with Theophylline in it they shouldn't allow tea bags into the country. Most fat burners on the market use coffee beans, green tea and cocoa bean extract. These are normally standardized for their alkaloid/methylxanthine content which most commonly includes caffeine, theophylline, phenylethylamine, tyramine and theobromine which are essentially amphethamines. However they should be no more illegal than getting an long black or cup of tea at a cafe that isolates these alkaloids as well.

[2guns]

Haha customs have already caught onto that one my friend...

how would u know?

the thing is with customs is u only hear about the things the stop, not the things they dont.

and belive me there would be a shitload more stuff that gets through than is stopped :nod:

[2guns]

oh and welcome back too by the way NZMM

[Luigi]

im always amazed at how much you know flex :shock:

[diamond]

yeah customs do not have x ray specs. There is always shit coming into the country that they miss. So if you want to try and bring something in or get it sent in, then cross your fingers and hope you get lucky.

[nzmusclemonster]

Haha customs have already caught onto that one my friend...

how would u know?

the thing is with customs is u only hear about the things the stop, not the things they dont.

and belive me there would be a shitload more stuff that gets through than is stopped :nod:

Its called building a file...

They let stuff get through, build a good file about you and gather all the info they can to roger you in the ass as much as possible.

[2guns]

Its called building a file...

They let stuff get through, build a good file about you and gather all the info they can to roger you in the ass as much as possible.

thats a load shit!

how do u think meth gets onto the street? u think customs allows that to be sold while they are building a file... wat a wank of an idea lol.

if it gets to yr place and they know about it u can be sure they will be pretty close behind it, like knocking on yr door that day.

if u have got it and sold it (wateva it may be) nd have the cash then they dont know about it

[SamWelly]

Its called building a file...

They let stuff get through, build a good file about you and gather all the info they can to roger you in the ass as much as possible.

Do you just say stuff that you think sounds right to you? :roll:

[ThatGuy]

Xenadrine NRG will get stopped by customs as well.

[rnyland]

Hi Flex,

The one thing I think you may have wrong is with the eggs. From what I elarned from biosecurity, as long as the containers are originally sealed (and I am bringing 6 lb bags of EAS protein, so that should be easy to prove) the dairy is not a problem. But you're correct with opened containers.

Thanks to everyone for your insight.

[Flex]

Hi Flex,

The one thing I think you may have wrong is with the eggs. From what I elarned from biosecurity, as long as the containers are originally sealed (and I am bringing 6 lb bags of EAS protein, so that should be easy to prove) the dairy is not a problem. But you're correct with opened containers.

Dairy products are fine but Eggs aren't dairy.

My understanding is that they are very strict on allowing egg albumen into NZ. I had thought that a permit was required for it but according to the information at the link below that doesn't seem to be the case, however they will most likely require a certificate of origin/manufacturers declaration from the manufacturer (part 7) before they clear the product.

http://www.biosecurity.govt.nz/imports/ ... ic.usa.htm

You definately shouldn't have problems with any dairy based whey protein i.e. EAS 100% whey protein, but still think that you may run into trouble with blended products that have egg albumen added i.e BSN Syntha 6 etc

[Dale]

Flex, i am impressed with your knowledge..on a side issue there is a new source of instantised WPC (a competitor to Fonterra's Alacen 450) available in New Zealand soon from the USA, understand it has same specs as the Alacen 450 I am told...understand a number of NZ companies are already pre-ordering it so good news to ensure supply and who knows maybe Fonterra will keep a bit more Alacen 450 aside for NZ customers once some competition enters our domestic market..

[bj powerL]

Yeah Flex my 12 x bottles of Xenadrine EFX was confisacted and on the letter they sent me was written the reason:

'Contains Theophylline', got destroyed!