Vital Stength: Muscle Weight Gainer

[james123]

This is awesome stuff have put on 2kgs in 2weeks on it and i dont gain size easily! Also increased my energy levels and endurance.Has creatine in it. I got it from elite fitness.

For a 2kg Chocolate Container $81 you get 33 servings.

Stats are: http://www.vitalstrength.com.au/product ... muscle.pdf

The solubility and taste are pretty good to bit sweet though if you dont add enough milk.

[Luigi]

This is awesome stuff have put on 2kgs in 2weeks on it and i dont gain size easily! Also increased my energy levels and endurance.Has creatine in it. I got it from elite fitness.

For a 2kg Chocolate Container $81 you get 33 servings.

Stats are: http://www.vitalstrength.com.au/product ... muscle.pdf

The solubility and taste are pretty good to bit sweet though if you dont add enough milk.

you have any idea what the fat/muscle ratio youv put on is? i could put on 5 kgs in a week but i can tell you that a LARGE portion of that would be fat.

[james123]

Ive lost fat so im picking its muscle especially in my arms there more ripped than ever. I cant gain 5kgs fat in a week even if i tried im not that sort of build.

[Luigi]

Ive lost fat so im picking its muscle especially in my arms there more ripped than ever. I cant gain 5kgs fat in a week even if i tried im not that sort of build.

never am i, but you would be suprised how much you can gain if you spend the whole day eating!! ,complex carbs esp.

[Pseudonym]

This is a weight-gainer with fat-burner ingredients. I don't look at weight-gainers much, but that's pretty unusual, isn't it?

[mclovin]

oxymoron? :?

[diamond]

i used to use this for about 6 months . It's a pretty cheap powder and it made me put on a lot of body fat. It's got lots of sugar in it.

Think about trying the " ripped " by vital strength . You can get that at elite as well.

[SamWelly]

I get my calories from food rather than sugers.

If you want a good bulk Protein, then buy some isolate and add in the carbs PWO yourself (I use canned Apricots meant for Pie Filling) Works out to be a 2/3 suger to carb ratio, and as the sugers are derived from fruit I believe they are slower bruning than refined sugers?

[2guns]

hmm....yeah your right for once there sam welly :pfft:

fruit sugar is referred to as fructose and 'table sugar' is referrred to as sucrose, and yeah mate, fructose is broken down more slowly in the body which is a good thing and it converts into sucrose and glycogen when in yr body

[IronGame]

Peanut butter is the easiest way to add cal to a shake hands down and it tasts good.

[Pseudonym]

2guns, when you say the slower breakdown of fructose is a good thing, are you talking in general, or post-workout? General, I'd agree with, but post-workout you want as fast an uptake of sugar as possible, don't you?

[Flex]

You don't want fructose post training as it doesn't cause as good an insulin response and isn't good for muscle glycogen replacement compared to other sugars like dextrose or maltodextrin. It is metabolised differently by the body than other sugars as it doesn't restore muscle glycogen. Instead it is preferentially used to restore liver glycogen, and once the liver is full is stored as fat. All other carbs are first used to restore muscle glycogen, then liver glycogen and then converted to fat.

This however is dependant on how full the liver is with glycogen. If your liver glycogen stores are full, an enzyme is produced that starts to convert other carbs into fat, even if your muscle glycogen stores are low, thus limiting your muscle glycogen replacement and contributing to greater fat gain.

Generally when dieting it is best to try and limit fructose intake due to this as it may contribute to greater fat gain than other sugars.

Canned fruit can be quite high in added sugars like sucrose which also aint too flash as it's 50% fructose.

There's a good review of fructose and HFCS (high fructose corn syrup) here - http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/2/1/5

I've copied the summary of it below:

The alarming increase in fructose consumption may be an important contributor to the epidemic of obesity and insulin resistant diabetes in both pediatric and adult populations. For thousands of years, the human diet contained a relatively small amount of naturally occurring fructose from fruits and other complex foods. Adaptation of humans to a high glucose/low fructose diet has meant that hepatic carbohydrate metabolism is designed to actively metabolize glucose with a limited capacity for metabolizing a small daily intake of fructose. The increasing application of high fructose sweeteners over the past few decades has resulted in a considerable rise in the dietary intake of fructose.

A high flux of fructose to the liver, the main organ capable of metabolizing this simple carbohydrate, disturbs normal hepatic carbohydrate metabolism leading to two major consequences (Figure 2): perturbations in glucose metabolism and glucose uptake pathways, and a significantly enhanced rate of de novo lipogenesis and TG synthesis, driven by the high flux of glycerol and acyl portions of TG molecules coming from fructose catabolism. These metabolic disturbances appear to underlie the induction of insulin resistance commonly observed with high fructose feeding in both humans and animal models. Fructose induced insulin resistant states are commonly characterized by a profound metabolic dyslipidemia, which appears to result from hepatic and intestinal overproduction of atherogenic lipoprotein particles. Taking into consideration that a typical western diet not only contains high levels of fructose but is also rich in both fat and cholesterol, synergistic interactions among these nutrients can readily occur leading to a greater degree of insulin resistance and dyslipidemia. In conclusion, emerging evidence from recent epidemiological and biochemical studies clearly suggests that the high dietary intake of fructose has rapidly become an important causative factor in the development of the metabolic syndrome. There is an urgent need for increased public awareness of the risks associated with high fructose consumption and greater efforts should be made to curb the supplementation of packaged foods with high fructose additives.

[Pseudonym]

I knew fructose didn't provide the same insulin spike as dextrose, but I never realised that it never made it to the muscle stores at all! :shock:

[2guns]

when you say the slower breakdown of fructose is a good thing, are you talking in general

yea, sorry i was meaning in general. as for pwo abit of glucose is all u need. latly iv actually been mixing my choc protein powder with a bottle of red powerade! its really nice u guys should try it sometime (tastes like choc strwbrry)