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think this is the appropriate forum as beer isnt exactly nutritious

anyway.... my quistion is : i like to have the odd beer or 2 every now and then im wondering how many calories the average 4.0% stubbie has in it and will doing cardio to combat this extra intake nutralize the effects or is there other factors to take in..... and what else could i do to help these

im not talking getting trashed either so dont go on about recovery times and depends how serious you are into bodybuilding etc etc i just want a answer without being told off. :twisted:

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I like to work on the moro bar principle. that is each beer is the same as munching a moro bar. (about 200cal) so to cancel off the effect of it crank out 200cal cardio. about 40 min cycling. this doesn't take into account the effect on the metabolism alcohol has though. in other words booze is bad mmmmkay :)

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I like to work on the moro bar principle. that is each beer is the same as munching a moro bar. (about 200cal) so to cancel off the effect of it crank out 200cal cardio. about 40 min cycling. this doesn't take into account the effect on the metabolism alcohol has though. in other words booze is bad mmmmkay :)

lol mmmkay ,its crazy when you think about it like that, a mild night of 6 beers is 1200 cals!!! thats a hell of a lot of cardio to do.

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works out though. remember though a lot of people either eat more or a lot less when on the turps so the cal count for the day could be considerably more. I like to use the same example if people who are trying to drop the chub ask if they can have a choc bar. Yes you can but you have to cancel it off with the cardio. and then that just brings you back to gorund zero.

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Oh and by the way this is scientific bull shit sorry Frogie it doesn't workout like that, the human body isn't that simple. The general principal of cals in cals out is fine but it is very general and is effected by a number of variables including the thermal effect of food and the breakdown of macro nutrients. Which is in fact in my opinion as varied as all of our bodies are.

Again no offence Frogie I just don't agree. :shifty:

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im with dumbell, its not as simple as cals in cals out. its an easy way to look at it but alcohol has more adverse affects

1. it lowers testosterone therefore increasing estrogen, hence a greater chance to store cals taken in as fat. (alcoholics with man boobs) (generally dont see bald life alcoholics)

2. it increases cortisol levels (stress hormone) therefore creating a catabolic state, creating an enviroment for tissue to break down and increase fat stores.

3. alcohol causes low blood sugar levels, causing an insulin responce (bad=weight gain) dehydration. these two together will stimulate the urge to binge eat while drunk, as hormones are out of wack, and the bodys under alot of stress processing alcohol the nutrients eg. fat will be stored rather then metabolised.

Just another veiw to look at, i personally enjoy a drink every now and then just prioritize when .

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true that. as i said though it is a simplistic way to look at it. I thought i mentioned about the whole lowering metabolism etc... oh well. At the end of the day it's quality of life that you need. and if a beer keeps you sane it's well worth it. I personally never managed to work in a beer with the calorie counting, always preferred to have another fish cake :pfft:

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i think it all depends on who you are as to how much shit you can eat and drink.

I train with kent ashcroft 4 nights during the week and then he heads out all weekend drinking, eating shit and womanising and he still sits on about 8 % bf all year and only has to diet about 3 weeks to get ripped for a show.

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i think it all depends on who you are as to how much shit you can eat and drink.

I train with kent ashcroft 4 nights during the week and then he heads out all weekend drinking, eating shit and womanising and he still sits on about 8 % bf all year and only has to diet about 3 weeks to get ripped for a show.

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The problem with alcohol is that its what you could call 'hollow calories' in as much as it is not metabolised as conventional calories - NZPT is correct with all the other comments also.

Alcohol energy yield is approx 7cal/g - 1g is an equivalent weight of approx 1ml alcohol - therefore 7cal/g x 330ml = 2310cal for just one stubbie! And thats no bs, it is an 'energy dense anti-nutrient'.

So it soon adds up...and people wonder why they get a beer gut?!

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The problem with alcohol is that its what you could call 'hollow calories' in as much as it is not metabolised as conventional calories - NZPT is correct with all the other comments also.

Alcohol energy yield is approx 7cal/g - 1g is an equivalent weight of approx 1ml alcohol - therefore 7cal/g x 330ml = 2310cal for just one stubbie! And thats no bs, it is an 'energy dense anti-nutrient'.

So it soon adds up...and people wonder why they get a beer gut?!

You are a little of track if I can say so Deep south firstly there isn't 330ml of alcohol in a stubbie only 330ml of liquid made up of alcohol sugar water hops etc you get the picture, you are correct hewever on the cal content of alcohol but that is pure alcahol.

This is the breakdown according to P&W Link of the macro nutrients

Fat 0 cals (0%)

Carbs. 39 cals (30%)

Protein 0 cals (0%)

Alcohol 92 cals (70%)

Oh and my comment above regarding the cals in and cals out was refering to all food and drink not only alcohol.

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anyway.... my quistion is : i like to have the odd beer or 2 every now and then

dude if you're only having the odd beer or two it's not going to harm you. have your beers and live your life. eat good food and exercise as often as you feel you need to. don't be a slave to calories.

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The problem with alcohol is that its what you could call 'hollow calories' in as much as it is not metabolised as conventional calories - NZPT is correct with all the other comments also.

Alcohol energy yield is approx 7cal/g - 1g is an equivalent weight of approx 1ml alcohol - therefore 7cal/g x 330ml = 2310cal for just one stubbie! And thats no bs, it is an 'energy dense anti-nutrient'.

So it soon adds up...and people wonder why they get a beer gut?!

You are a little of track if I can say so Deep south firstly there isn't 330ml of alcohol in a stubbie only 330ml of liquid made up of alcohol sugar water hops etc you get the picture, you are correct hewever on the cal content of alcohol but that is pure alcahol.

This is the breakdown according to P&W Link of the macro nutrients

Fat 0 cals (0%)

Carbs. 39 cals (30%)

Protein 0 cals (0%)

Alcohol 92 cals (70%)

Oh and my comment above regarding the cals in and cals out was refering to all food and drink not only alcohol.

No worries Dumbell....I was just hoping people got the general idea that not all sugars (or sugars and associated fats) are created equal and the way they are metabolised so to speak.

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anyway.... my quistion is : i like to have the odd beer or 2 every now and then

dude if you're only having the odd beer or two it's not going to harm you. have your beers and live your life. eat good food and exercise as often as you feel you need to. don't be a slave to calories.

My philosophy too, you have still go to live a little and if you enjoy beer or a bit wine now and then then go for it, moderation is the key word for me.

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