Stanozolol

[mclovin]

middle of the road = runit over :pfft:

[slimjim]

I'm reading alot of conflictiong opinions of Winny vs Anavar.

The story is - I'm wanting to start my first AAS cycle. I'm 27y/o, 90 kg, 5'10", relatively fit - 1 hour cardio 6 times/week + 4 gym sesions. I'm training for a particular sport where speed and agility is required so dont want to bulk up to much.

Winstrol and Anavar look appealing because they dont aromatise so in theory I dont need to do a post cycle of clomid or nolvaldex - right or wrong?

I was thinking a winny or anavar dose of 50 - 60mg/day x 6 weeks would be good for a first timer? opinions?

Plus - how hard are these pills on the joints? From what I have read, I need to dose up on some sort of joint therapy pre and during AAS cycle.

Cheers

[Marcus]

What are your expectations from your first cycle? What would you like to achieve?

The reason I ask this is because you won't see a lot from these cycles.

[slimjim]

I'm mainly after an increase in strength, an increase in size would be a good side benefit.

What do you suggest?

[IronGame]

I'm mainly after an increase in strength, an increase in size would be a good side benefit.

What do you suggest?

Do more research, every sprinter and athleate thinks winstrol is the answer to there pray's, think again, it will play havoc on your joints and do sweet f*ck all for your performance.

[keats]

Sorry Slimjim but I agree with Irongame.

[2guns]

my mate for kickboxing used test prop, winny and some ephedrine. got him into mean shape and kicked some ass too.

wat sport do u do?

[Luigi]

while on the topic.... how does anavar stack with test sus 250 ? good cycle for making decent clean gains as there wouldnt be as much water retention etc ? dont want that bloated blown up baloon look

[2guns]

how does anavar stack with test sus 250 ?

good

[keats]

while on the topic.... how does anavar stack with test sus 250 ? good cycle for making decent clean gains as there wouldnt be as much water retention etc ? dont want that bloated blown up baloon look

Not bad, i prefer oils with a 4 week dbol or anavar cycle to kickstart the cycle.

[Melbournian]

dont listen to the dogma about injection only cycles its over hyped, If your training and eating right and consistantly training and have for a long time ect then doing a small cycle of winny is gonna be great and you'll maintain some significant strength and size. Although 6 weeks only?? go to 8, the gains and visible changes only really begin at 5 weeks

[lordan]

I'm think of doing a cycle of Stanozolol orals.

Never tried it before, but from what i've researched, a cycle of 6 weeks @ 40 mg/day should cut the mustard!

Any ideas or advice, experience with it?

All suggestions welcomed!

if you dont wanna inject you could try a creatine and anavar cycle these 2 work great together , run some glocasamine as well eat, good food like crazy you should get stronger. maybe run m thistle and drink lots of water.

you will see how you react to anavar if thats all your on. at least take some natural anti est and tribulas/zma or something as you mite get dead weasel trouser for a while. multi vit, high protien etc....etc... but its up to you ..good luck

[lordan]

you may need clearasil a couple months after too...

[mr natural]

run a low weekly dose of test and stack your winnie with it, if you start gaining water ect run some anti estrogen. you can get some good lean muscle gain for a beginner off a cycle like this.

[Specter]

I was about to suggest a high quality cutting cycle of Primo, Stanazol, Clen, Clomid cycle.

But I reckon you would be after a cutting lean mass cycle because of your sport.

[Optimass]

Just man up and do a proper test cycle, you'l be much beter off for it. If you do a winstrol only cycle you'l end up keeping nothing and waisting money.

Agreed .... I don't see the point investing the time and money into oral cycles when the benefits are significantly higher doing an I.M cycle. although 4 weeks of dbol is a good way to soak up some size at the start ....

Is this your first cycle? If so, a short cycle of stan is a good way to test the waters and lose a bit of bodyfat.

But if you're wanting long term results you need to be looking at a good test based cycle duration 12 - 15 weeks. the benefits of winny in short cycles are short term which would frustrate the hell out of you given you probably paid a pretty penny for it. Save it for the last 2 - 4 weeks ...

You can't beat good old fashion test. Not everyone gets the same side effects and they are generally at varying levels of intensity. The tricks not to over load your system and workout you bodies tolerances.