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The Police Raids

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all right for you when your finished stripping these lands of all its natural ressourses you have your presious england to go back to,

do you think just because we are white we believe our home land is england? that is extremly ignorant and if 'we' strip these lands of it natural resources then people like you who believe 'we' should return to where 'we' came from should go back to hawaiki in polynesia, because that is where the maori migrated from around 1350 AD according to history

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tuff guy huh ,go read a dictionary wee man , maybe id take you up on that coffee if you weren't down the arse end of the isles but then again i dont make a habit of pickin on guys 50 kilos lighter than myself

50kg heaver aye that wood make you 125kg yet i cant find one pic of you in the post your pic sections wood that be because your 125kg of fat and shit or your just all shit full stop

personal insults will get you nowhere dude , I'm not about to lower myself to your level either go blow your horn elsewhere , maybe get anger management .

put up or shut up bitch if your 125kg lets see it you like to talk the talk time to walk the walk i maybe only 75kg but at least i've got the gutts to show what i got

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you and your kind are the racists trying to impose your culture beliefls way of goverment and morals on a people that never asked for them, all right for you when your finished stripping these lands of all its natural ressourses you have your presious england to go back to,

we the maori people have no were to go this is our home land one and only

:lol: Are you serious?

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ngapuhi strong Senior member

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all right for you when your finished stripping these lands of all its natural ressourses you have your presious england to go back to,

do you think just because we are white we believe our home land is england? that is extremly ignorant and if 'we' strip these lands of it natural resources then people like you who believe 'we' should return to where 'we' came from should go back to hawaiki in polynesia, because that is where the maori migrated from around 1350 AD according to history

its the truth if you had asked all the white south africans were they thought home was for them 50 yrs ago they wood swear black and blue south africa ewas it for them, fast ford to today look at state there country is in and look at the numbers of whites imergrating to other colonised countrys eg new zealand

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I don't think i've ever thought of North west Europe as anything other than where my family line probably originated.

The treaty is ambiguous that's what happens when you get a dude who has no training in law to write a document to found a nation on in a few days. And then get it translated into a language that is spoken by people who have completely different concepts of what the key terms in it mean.

I'm not a fan of it because even learning about it at uni it felt as though it was aimed at making us white people feel as though we fucked over the Maori, and now owe them. I was born in the 80's man I didn't write that shit. Nor am I a polititian or time traveler so I really can't do much about it.

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I think it's a shame Ngapuhistrong felt the need to stoop to the level of some others in here.

The treaty of Waitangi is a document that has more implications for non-Maori than Maori. It is only in the last 20 years when the Maori side of the bargain has even been looked at that people have gotten up in arms about it. The treaty guarantees the rights of non-Maori to live here. The only way it could be abolished is if a new treaty was formed with all iwi, which will probably never happen.

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Ngapuhistrong - perhaps we need to calm down kare - although I do understand your frustration. Shane next time something as political as this is discussed keep in mind the implications it can have. We all have our opinions, some are stronger than others, most will never understand and some will continue to be ignorant in their beliefs.

Its important to acknowledge the past and accept them for what they were - thats what makes it part of our history.....

Keep well

Lets get back to what this forum is for shall we :nod:

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People were arrested and raided because of terrorism laws, and none of them were found guilty of terrorism. People have a right to feel aggrieved in this instance.

Im not 100% on this but I believe many of the search warrants, were centered around offences under the Arms Act. All the people charged were charged mostly or solely for offences under the Arms Act ie unlawful possession of firearms, explosives etc

Quote...``While police are disappointed that consent has not been given for charges to be laid, we note the solicitor-general's endorsement that police had a sufficient and proper basis for investigating the activities in question,'' Police Commissioner Howard Broad said in a statement

It would be wrong therefore to say they should feel aggrieved. They broke the law so they should therefore be held responsible.

The Police took the respective cases to the Solicitor General to consider laying charges under the Terrorism Act as none have ever been laid and his permission was required to lay charges.

Obviously he believed that what they were doing wasnt at a high enough standard to be called terrorism. Fair enough.

The groups involved were Extreme Environmentalists and pro Maori Sovereignty. There practices were what most New Zealand would deem inappropriate and extreme. What they had intended to do will perhaps never be known.

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Wow. Definitely not impressed, guys. :disgusted:

I think it would be a good time to post the terms and conditions you all agreed to when signing up here. Anyone who wants the full set can read them here.

Too many forums have been ruined by members turning them into a slugfest. NZ Bodybuilding is determined to avoid this. NO PERSONAL ATTACKS WILL BE TOLERATED! Discussion and debate is encouraged, but we will not allow members to abuse each other.

Please read your replies carefully before posting them – people are easily offended, and what you mean as a joke may be taken the wrong way. Try to word your response to avoid this, and use smileys when in doubt.

I'm keeping the topic open for now, but only if the discussion gets back on track. Remember, we're talking about the very recent police raids only - not arguing whose ancestors wronged who. If you can stay on topic, the thread stays open. If it wanders off topic even slightly, or if there are ANY more insults thrown, one of the moderating team will close the thread immediately.

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If the police suspect something what should they do? Not do something about it? What if they did bomb something? What would you say then? I'm glad the police acted on their suspicions. That's their job.

The Tuhoe spokesman on the programme "Sunday" the other weekend certainly didn't make me feel too comfortable about their intentions.

I'm a big fan of balance. The Maori do need to be recognised and I believe they are in the form of these payouts. But there are some that are spoiling it for the others. Much like some NZer's spoil it for the others.

This topic can present good debate, but let's keep it civil.

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People were arrested and raided because of terrorism laws, and none of them were found guilty of terrorism. People have a right to feel aggrieved in this instance.

Im not 100% on this but I believe many of the search warrants, were centered around offences under the Arms Act. All the people charged were charged mostly or solely for offences under the Arms Act ie unlawful possession of firearms, explosives etc

Quote...``While police are disappointed that consent has not been given for charges to be laid, we note the solicitor-general's endorsement that police had a sufficient and proper basis for investigating the activities in question,'' Police Commissioner Howard Broad said in a statement

It would be wrong therefore to say they should feel aggrieved. They broke the law so they should therefore be held responsible.

The Police took the respective cases to the Solicitor General to consider laying charges under the Terrorism Act as none have ever been laid and his permission was required to lay charges.

Obviously he believed that what they were doing wasnt at a high enough standard to be called terrorism. Fair enough.

The groups involved were Extreme Environmentalists and pro Maori Sovereignty. There practices were what most New Zealand would deem inappropriate and extreme. What they had intended to do will perhaps never be known.

Watched the news with my dad last night and yes, that is our point of view as well. We further feel that the police in NZ have way too little respect and their job is made alot harder than it should be. I was driving through Otara last year with a youth worker and he pointed out every drug house (basically one every 3 houses!), he said the police know where all of them are, but find it impossible to get warrants.

No one really knows what this group of people were up to, except them and the police/justice system. We could hardly be allowed to say that the charges were over the top, for all we know they could have been attempting to invade and take over a small town, or cause chaos.

What seems clear is that this was not a racially motivated head-hunt on the part of the police, but a genuine concern for the safety of New Zealanders, which is precisely part of the Police forces job.

The terrorism charges were thrown out NOT because of overreaction, but because the legislation made prosecution too difficult!

Before I get the racist tag put on me, I'd like to say that Treaty severly disserviced the Maori people and cheated them of much property. This case is not however about Maori, but about the safety of the New Zealand people (Maori included) and we should support the Police when they do their best to keep the peace.

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I wasn't going to comment on this but I am fairly active on this forum and I guess it is too easy to sit on the fence so, this best describes my view.

Watched the news with my dad last night and yes, that is our point of view as well. We further feel that the police in NZ have way too little respect and their job is made alot harder than it should be. I was driving through Otara last year with a youth worker and he pointed out every drug house (basically one every 3 houses!), he said the police know where all of them are, but find it impossible to get warrants.

No one really knows what this group of people were up to, except them and the police/justice system. We could hardly be allowed to say that the charges were over the top, for all we know they could have been attempting to invade and take over a small town, or cause chaos.

What seems clear is that this was not a racially motivated head-hunt on the part of the police, but a genuine concern for the safety of New Zealanders, which is precisely part of the Police forces job.

The terrorism charges were thrown out NOT because of overreaction, but because the legislation made prosecution too difficult!

Before I get the racist tag put on me, I'd like to say that Treaty severly disserviced the Maori people and cheated them of much property. This case is not however about Maori, but about the safety of the New Zealand people (Maori included) and we should support the Police when they do their best to keep the peace.

I agree with this and I also think that Maori do get a very fair deal in the community with regard to Health care, Tertiary education etc, and I don't say that in an antaginistic kind of way because I believe that the majority of Maori would agree with me.

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tama iti should just be shot, hes just a scumbag whos good for nothing

he does more volunteer work for his community then you have every thought about doing

he is a positive constructive member of his community, what do you do for your people??

Does he have a job? Maybe he has plenty of time to do community work, 2 guns has 2 jobs.

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he does more volunteer work for his community then you have every thought about doing

he is a positive constructive member of his community, what do you do for your people??

well ive never fucken heard about any of it! has anyone else?

hes got those bullshit tatoos on his face, walks round with a gun shooting the flag, insists on a maori translater while in court, does some kinda screaming shit in the court (saw that on tv).

hes just a fuckwit put simply, i could just imagine u ngapuhistrong, as one of those loser people holding those signs protesting on the news bout this shit.

and the reason it seems he has so much support is because all the people supporting him are doll bludgers with no jobs so have all the time in the world to follow him round and support him

is tama iti on a benefit?

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I felt like writing a reply but it's not worth it, suffice to say the following:

Tama Iti can speak in Maori in court, it is one of two official languages of OUR country. The moko on his face I'd be proud to wear if I were in his position.

But, discharging firearms and carrying on the way he does doesn't really help the cause does it? Read Bigmac's post. Sums everything up nicely.

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