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[Bigboy]

Appears from my research a good first injectiable, where lag time is small (short ester) but is also fast to stop acting (one off cycle or where cycle needs to be halted). Other longer easters need, ancillary drugs to combat potential effects of estrongen, and even where the cycle is halted the effects will continue for say another 2 or so weeks.

Also, where the user is a novice it is better to keep to the KISS principle, rather than stacking, where the effect on individual drugs has yet to be experienced let alone in conbinations with others.

One further point - it seems to me that test prop is a subcutaneous injection and not an intermascualr one. I don't know how one can inject intermascualrly one oneself! The best position of inter-mascualr injections is in the gluts, but without assistance this would be very difficult to do right - ie nurses train a long time to do this right!

Makes sense?

[IronGame]

Appears from my research a good first injectiable, where lag time is small (short ester) but is also fast to stop acting (one off cycle or where cycle needs to be halted). Other longer easters need, ancillary drugs to combat potential effects of estrongen, and even where the cycle is halted the effects will continue for say another 2 or so weeks.

Also, where the user is a novice it is better to keep to the KISS principle, rather than stacking, where the effect on individual drugs has yet to be experienced let alone in conbinations with others.

One further point - it seems to me that test prop is a subcutaneous injection and not an intermascualr one. I don't know how one can inject intermascualrly one oneself! The best position of inter-mascualr injections is in the gluts, but without assistance this would be very difficult to do right - ie nurses train a long time to do this right!

Makes sense?

I think you probably want to do a bit more research before you jump in to anything.

Test prop would not be the ideal 1st choice especially if you are not used to doing injections.

Test prop is definatly not designed for subQ injct it should always be shot intramuscularly, if you did shoot it subQ it would significantly slow down the absorbtion time.

Gulte shots are not difficult once you get used to them, and in my experience self injecting is alot less painfull than having a nurse do it

( plus many are not taught glute shoots but rather straight through the ITB, not pleasent)

But if you are doing prop you will need to jnject every day to every other day and will need to find other sights i.e. delt, quad.

You should have anti e's and inhibotors on hand no mater what ester you decide to use as well as proper PCT.

Do some more research and start looking at test enanthate

[samoan_muscle]

What is the KISS principle???

Who told you that test propionate is preferrably a subcutaneous injection??? And y only glutes for intra-muscular??? You can do delts too you know...however, even if you were to only pin your glutes - it is piss easy and requires minimum effort at all - all you need to know is the location of your sciatic (spelling?) nerve and stay well away from that. If you were just starting out use a mirror...

[2guns]

Makes sense?

no, it makes no sense wat u are saying.

keep asking questions as u need to know wat u are doing, thr last thing u want is to end up going to the a&e and making a fool of yrself because u have had no idea about wat u were doing

[Bigboy]

KISS=Keep it simple stupid. A commonly acronym.

I would rather take a fast acting drug at mild dose to intially understand the effect of the subsrtance rather stacking. I think that does make sense - I don't know how stacking sevwral compounds which are also longer acting can be a good choice for a novice user if they require ancillary drugs even when the cycle is stopped.

Most compliants about test prop relate to injection frequency, but I don't have aversion injections, even intramuscular ones.

Why test enthenate? (other than slower acting/less injections)

thanks for your feedback

[2guns]

what dosage per shot are u going to do and how frequent? were u thinking?

[MUSCLEROIDS]

Why not look at Tren 75 for a fast acting or go for one that is fast and slow mixed in one like Sus

[IronGame]

KISS=Keep it simple stupid. A commonly acronym.

I would rather take a fast acting drug at mild dose to intially understand the effect of the subsrtance rather stacking. I think that does make sense - I don't know how stacking sevwral compounds which are also longer acting can be a good choice for a novice user if they require ancillary drugs even when the cycle is stopped.

Most compliants about test prop relate to injection frequency, but I don't have aversion injections, even intramuscular ones.

Why test enthenate? (other than slower acting/less injections)

thanks for your feedback

OK give us some stats and your proposed cycle

[Bigboy]

Doing only 1 month cycle - up to 150 mg eod. I would like to know any side effects first, so this is as much a test as well as training schedule which is 6 days per week.

I reacted quite differently to dbol than what I have read form other people's experiences, so need to make sure I understand how my body with react to test. I have chosen test prop because although it is fast acting, it is fast to to stop acting when ceasing the cycle. I don't want to get caught-up ancillary drugs at the moment.

I am training to do 100 km runs - so my training is for strength and to cure injuries, which I have a few because of a hip problem. However, I don't mind bulk as running as a catabolic exercise.

Once I have the experience in this 1 month trial, I will consider a stack.

I am 39, 5'6 and half, and trained since I was a teenager, including weight training, martial arts, rock climbing, and running.

cheers

[MUSCLEROIDS]

That looks good but who will do the shots for you????

[IronGame]

Doing only 1 month cycle - up to 150 mg eod. I would like to know any side effects first, so this is as much a test as well as training schedule which is 6 days per week.

I reacted quite differently to dbol than what I have read form other people's experiences, so need to make sure I understand how my body with react to test. I have chosen test prop because although it is fast acting, it is fast to to stop acting when ceasing the cycle. I don't want to get caught-up ancillary drugs at the moment.

I am training to do 100 km runs - so my training is for strength and to cure injuries, which I have a few because of a hip problem. However, I don't mind bulk as running as a catabolic exercise.

Once I have the experience in this 1 month trial, I will consider a stack.

I am 39, 5'6 and half, and trained since I was a teenager, including weight training, martial arts, rock climbing, and running.

cheers

It seems strange to me that you think test is going to help you in any way with your long distance running, bulk is a runners worst enemy, the heavier you are the more energy your body requires to move and the MORE pressure you put on your joint such as your hip!

If it is injury recovery/prevention maby look at HGH if you still think you need something.

[samoan_muscle]

That looks good but who will do the shots for you????

Mummy??? :pfft: :pfft:

[ama]

That looks good but who will do the shots for you????

Mummy??? :pfft: :pfft:

Nah, his boyfriend... :nod:

[Bigboy]

It's obvious you never ran for more than 3 hours -trust me -it comes down to brute strength - or this is what I am thinking 2-3 hours into to run!

And yes bulk doesn't hurt, as running is catabolic so it ends up destroying muscle Go to http://www.ultramarathonman.com/flash/ and tell me if Dean Kanazes looks skinny! You have to do the bulk work otherwise you just end up destroying you own body.

So how is bulk a runners worst eneny???? No scientific evidence nor from my experience that would tells me that lean muscle (and lots of it) hurts endurance sports.

Test is used througout the sporting community for healing and traing, but yes, HGH is great, but an obviously expensive alternative.

[2guns]

well at least u have decided on a good dose, 150mg a week this will be around 600mg a week.

i would have thought something like ephedrine and stanozolol/winstrol is an example of what a runner would use?? or not??

a good mate of mine used test prop and winstrol cycle for 8 weeks up to a kick boxing fight and worked really well so he reckoned he would have liked some ephedrine but we couldnt get any at that stage.

however i couldnt really comment on what u are doing as i dont know anyone who has used gear for an endurance sport, but i cant see how bulking up would help at all... but again i wouldnt know

anyway go for it, and let us know yr results of running, e.g how much yr times increase from the prop and everything.

good luck

[IronGame]

It's obvious you never ran for more than 3 hours -trust me -it comes down to brute strength - or this is what I am thinking 2-3 hours into to run!

And yes bulk doesn't hurt, as running is catabolic so it ends up destroying muscle Go to http://www.ultramarathonman.com/flash/ and tell me if Dean Kanazes looks skinny! You have to do the bulk work otherwise you just end up destroying you own body.

So how is bulk a runners worst eneny???? No scientific evidence nor from my experience that would tells me that lean muscle (and lots of it) hurts endurance sports.

Test is used througout the sporting community for healing and traing, but yes, HGH is great, but an obviously expensive alternative.

Ok if you see him as beeing bulky then I can see that you probably do need some more muscle, but bulk for bulk sake is a wast of time in your case.

I trained and worked with two Ultramarathon runners before last years SouthAfrican 90k, and the last thing on there minds was bulk i can assure you. One of these athletes placed very well and I believe was the first "white man" to finish behind all the super skinny and efficient African runners.

But it seems your mind is made up so all the best

[The Legend Killer]

Yeah I don't think people on here consider a 70kg guy a hulking monster.

[Flex]

It's obvious you never ran for more than 3 hours -trust me -it comes down to brute strength - or this is what I am thinking 2-3 hours into to run!

And yes bulk doesn't hurt, as running is catabolic so it ends up destroying muscle Go to http://www.ultramarathonman.com/flash/ and tell me if Dean Kanazes looks skinny! You have to do the bulk work otherwise you just end up destroying you own body.

So how many times have you run longer than 3 hours?

I don't mean to be harsh but my opinion of this is that you've missed the point of Ultra running. You're never really going to get very far if you think that using gear is the way to do it.

Yes gear may help improve muscle recovery after your long runs, and may increase leg strength for the hills, but it ain't going to do diddly squat for you when your 6 hours into a run and your brain is playing or manner of tricks on you.

Which event are you training for BTW?

[waldo]

If ultra running is your thing, then I suggest you read up on a Greek fella called Yiannis Kouros:

http://www.yianniskouros.com/

He is the beast of the ultra distance world. Something tells me though he would have plenty to say on the subject of juice as a prep. He might also tell you that you will have to train for longer than 3 hours at a stretch.