Keto for cutting, high carb for bulking?

[Arab_Carter]

Has anyone switched between keto and high carb for cutting and bulking phases? I thought about trying the keto diet during my cutting phase (+/- carb cycling), then switching to a standard high carb diet for bulking once I'm at an acceptable body fat percentage. I know its possible to bulk with keto, but my carb requirements are high and I can't lift heavy when my glycogen stores are deplete. My understanding is that keto diets burn fat more quickly than standard diets due to low levels of insulin release (as insulin stores fat, increases transport of glucose into cells which then converts to fat, and increases the difficulty of cells to breakdown and release fat), so wouldn't it make sense to cut with a keto diet, and then bulk with high carb?

Should I stick to high carb and focus more on caloric deficit and lifting heavy for cutting, then caloric surplus for bulking?

[trainlikeafreak]

Keto works great for fast fat loss.

 

high carb is great for bulking.

 

i usually start a cut by reducing carbs slowly and it may or may not result in Keto depending on my tame frame vs how lean I wanna get. 

[muscle99]

Always keto for fat loss. keep carbs below 50g a day from low carb fruit and veg.

 

You can also bulk on keto, some find it great as it's so easy to keep a bulk under control.

[Tattwhoed]

I am just reversing out of a successful keto cut that went well with limited cardio required (15min HIT 5 times a week with a 1hr walk around the block on the weekends).

Going to try a bulk following the annabolic style dieting that requires 25cal/pound of targeted stage weight to be consumed following a strict keto protocol Monday-Friday and then switch to carb loading Saturday and Sunday, so far so good.

The math is as follows:

Target stage weight 85kg (187lb x 15% = 215lb x 25cal = 5375cal/day) with a 65%F, 30%P, 5%C macro split Mon-Fri, and 60-70%C, 10-20%P, 10-20%F on Sat-Sun. Calories look high but are easy to achieve with higher cal from the high fat from olive oil, advacado oil, eggs, ribeye etc.

[trainlikeafreak]

On 5/16/2019 at 6:18 PM, Tattwhoed said:

I am just reversing out of a successful keto cut that went well with limited cardio required (15min HIT 5 times a week with a 1hr walk around the block on the weekends).

Going to try a bulk following the annabolic style dieting that requires 25cal/pound of targeted stage weight to be consumed following a strict keto protocol Monday-Friday and then switch to carb loading Saturday and Sunday, so far so good.

The math is as follows:

Target stage weight 85kg (187lb x 15% = 215lb x 25cal = 5375cal/day) with a 65%F, 30%P, 5%C macro split Mon-Fri, and 60-70%C, 10-20%P, 10-20%F on Sat-Sun. Calories look high but are easy to achieve with higher cal from the high fat from olive oil, advacado oil, eggs, ribeye etc.

Do people actually follow these equations? 

[HarryB]

On 19/05/2019 at 5:17 PM, trainlikeafreak said:

Do people actually follow these equations? 

Yes but I multiply bw by 17% and have 37% protein 35% protein and 50%carbs. 

[trainlikeafreak]

 

20 hours ago, HarryB said:

Yes but I multiply bw by 17% and have 37% protein 35% protein and 50%carbs. 

Is that what your cat told you to do?