PPL v BroSplit

[hamdanz]

Compounds can be done at a high intensity - just because my legs days last for ages, doesn't mean this is what i would recommend for somebody looking to do a cut.  Obviously the intensity needs to be higher, with shorter rest periods.  You tailor your session for your specific goal - e.g. for losing weight, you'd have supersets and short rest periods, AND a decent amount of volume.  I don't see why intensity and volume can't be inclusive of each other either.

 

 Arms day  to break down your biceps and triceps so they can recover and get bigger and stronger seems pointless when you're in a caloric deficit, and you're not going to grow.

 

I don't do cardio at the gym.  I play sport, a couple of times a week, and practice basketball with my son.  That's my cardio.  Used to do the odd 15 min HIIT session on a bike or treadmill, but that's about it.  So it's pretty easy to fit in cardio when you train until say mid arvo, and then shoot some hoops a few hours later.

[donz]

19 hours ago, hamdanz said:

 

Depends what your goals are.  If your goals are strength and functionality, then it is a superior way of training.  If your goal is to get on a stage in your undies, then it's not superior way of training for that specific goal.

 

Increasing my numbers for the 3 main lifts was my goal for a long time, as I enjoyed the challenge, and it gave direction.  I never plan to do a bodybuilding show, so aesthetics is secondary.

 

Omar who I mentions preaches the 'athletic aesthetic', which I guess it looks like you lift, but you don't particularly look like the generic bodybuilder.  I guess that's the look I'm after also, more cross fit than bodybuilding.

 

It uses aspects of strength and body building training, using the logic that you get stronger, and then you can lift more weight for your hypertrophy, leading to size & aesthetic gains.  

 

 

Soooooooo you don't wanna be a generic bodybuilder or do a show and being aesthetic is secondary but you're following a program for building muscle, adding size and looking good? Interdasting...

 

In your recent post you mention your leg days last ages - do you have a photo of said herculian/Rich Froning legs?

[Realtalk]

50 minutes ago, hamdanz said:

Compounds can be done at a high intensity - just because my legs days last for ages, doesn't mean this is what i would recommend for somebody looking to do a cut.  Obviously the intensity needs to be higher, with shorter rest periods.  You tailor your session for your specific goal - e.g. for losing weight, you'd have supersets and short rest periods, AND a decent amount of volume.  I don't see why intensity and volume can't be inclusive of each other either.

 

 Arms day  to break down your biceps and triceps so they can recover and get bigger and stronger seems pointless when you're in a caloric deficit, and you're not going to grow.

 

I don't do cardio at the gym.  I play sport, a couple of times a week, and practice basketball with my son.  That's my cardio.  Used to do the odd 15 min HIIT session on a bike or treadmill, but that's about it.  So it's pretty easy to fit in cardio when you train until say mid arvo, and then shoot some hoops a few hours later.

 

All good bro lol

[hamdanz]

31 minutes ago, donz said:

Soooooooo you don't wanna be a generic bodybuilder or do a show and being aesthetic is secondary but you're following a program for building muscle, adding size and looking good? Interdasting...

 

In your recent post you mention your leg days last ages - do you have a photo of said herculian/Rich Froning legs?

 

My legs are not herculian in the least.

 

pls don't be a shit stirrer Don.

 

Of course everybody who goes to the gym has some kind of aesthetic goal, but it doesn't have to be the number one priority.

[donz]

5 minutes ago, hamdanz said:

 

My legs are not herculian in the least.

 

pls don't be a shit stirrer Don.

 

Of course everybody who goes to the gym has some kind of aesthetic goal, but it doesn't have to be the number one priority.

Haha I was just confused and also curious~ ;)

[PETN]

Kind of like reading the steroid section I guess where someone goes on about how good their tren cycle (or whatever compounds they think they used) was and how much muscle they gained etc then you later find out they're 70 or 80 something kg and not particulrly short and look like shit or sometimes a bit heavier but at an obese body fat %. Context matters when factoring in the value of an opinion or advice offered by someone. Unless the person has a PhD or something similar where they have an extensive knowledge and experience in the study of the subject they are discussing its usually their achievements I.e. past or present lifts or how they look(ed) that provide this context.

 

 

[Realtalk]

Have done a push pull type program on the advice of a guy who worked in the gym when I first joined up when I was 15. It was good for all the frequency in regards to mastering the lifts and the machines. So many uncoordinated people in the gym I think 5 and 6 day splits don't help with that so much. That's probably all a push pull program is good for in my eyes. Done the "bro split" for about 7 years. Which if I was to bodybuild again I would train that way, infact ever since septernbet last year up until around now I train one muscle group a week for my off-season program and it looked almost identical to how I trained for those 7 years. Only real difference now I am doing my squat and deadlifts at the start of the workout and not the end. I have done one of the 5x5 for a good 6-12 months too While I transitioned into powerlifting. I did he 5x5 where you squat and bench twice a week on the same days and deadlift and ohp are paired on a day. I enjoyed the 5x5 and thought it was the best way I'd ever trained. Now I think it's pretty average and wouldn't waste my time with it again. So speaking from experience, that's not to say my opinion is better than yours. I don't think there is a right and wrong answer to this thread. It's all just really what we like doing with the time we each have to go to the gym and train.  And if the way you think is good is working well for you then that's what it is all about.

[donz]

TBH having seen both of you and knowing how both of you train in gym due to reading both of your logs ( his in another forum ) I would say your opinion is actually better, a lot better. One of you has results, has done BB shows, has done PL comps, is strong as f*ck, makes great points in many threads, has learnt shit over the years - the other is hamdanz. 

[hamdanz]

Fucking lol 

 

Considering I'm about 20kg heavier than my teenage weight, and fairly lean, I think I've done alright.

 

Don, stop being an asshole. 

[jimmybro1]

4 hours ago, hamdanz said:

Fucking lol 

 

Considering I'm about 20kg heavier than my teenage weight, and fairly lean, I think I've done alright.

 

Don, stop being an asshole. 

What gym you train at in Hamz? 

[hamdanz]

1 hour ago, jimmybro1 said:

What gym you train at in Hamz? 

 

City fitness

[hamdanz]

I just seen your log, Realtalk.  respect man, huge legs and big, strong guy.

 

i must emphasise that my advice was based on being natural.  I've done a lot of research into training methodology etc over the years, but it's all based on natural athletes.  Athletes being not body builders, but more into athletic performance, and strength based training.

 

A lot of the consensus is that natural athletes best respond to volume.  I'm not calling myself an athlete as such - I was naturally good at things, but never the best, and got impatient and would kinda jump between sports.  I currently play hockey and basketball socially.  

 

I got into powerlifting maybe 3-4 years ago, and then I changed to ppl from a 4 or 5 days bb split. I did plan to do a powerlifting show, but I dislocated my si joint about 2 years ago.  That fucked me up for a long time, just trying to get back to where I was with squat and deadlift pre injury. Had a lot of niggles since and really tight hip flexors to point where I couldn't deadlift 60kg without it hurting.

 

so I stopped.  Actually saw a rehab guy.  He gave me quiet an intensive mobility and rehab program with lots of shitty long static stretching at the end, which as I said contributes to my long sessions.

 

I've never really looked into specific stuff for juiced guys, e.g. Get as huge as possible, but I do understand a lot of the basic concepts like time under tension etc.  I guess early on in my gym days, I did follow a little bit of bb stuff, but my research was never really that serious besides a few generic things from a Google search.  The internet has come along way in terms of information available about training etc with YouTube and social media over the past 5 or so years.

 

Don really does like me, but he's annoyed at me for something I said on another forum.   Hey, we can all be assholes right? It's the internet.

 

It's funny how you get called out though on the internet until you show 'proof' of your expertise.  Forums are always the same, regardless of the culture/lifestyle/topic etc.

 

 

[PETN]

It's not really surprising or odd to get called out online especially when you first start posting. So many people who post on forums are full of shit and complete idiots which is the same I've found across a broad spectrum of forums irrespective of topic, from explosives to car stuff to this to stock market forums, so I agree with you there.

 

I never did PPL so can't really say it's worse based on experience but got to 95-98kg at what I'd estimate to be 10-12% body fat naturally a year or so after I started going to the gym. Lifts were pretty shit though. 180/135/240 I believe but I only did squats for 3 or so months and deads for 5 months up til that time.

 

I would say from my own experience of trying different approaches to training that diet and how hard you train, properly logically and consistently and getting enough sleep are far more important in progressing than what exact split you do as long as you're not doing something retarded.

[shane]

What ever works for you do it , we are all different I hate the same routine when I train so I try and change it up every workout.

[hamdanz]

yeah, it all comes down to personal preference.  If you enjoy a certain workout, chances are you will put more effort into than something you don't enjoy, and will stick to it.  All comes down to long term consistency, if you're doing progressive overload, gains will be made.