Predicting a shift in bodybuilding foods

[Rick123]

47 minutes ago, Skeletor said:

Unlike plant-based protein sources, beef is densely packed with the same types of proteins humans are made of: skeletal muscle proteins like myosin, actin, and troponins, as well as collagen and other connective tissue proteins. Typically animal meat is more than 80 percent protein on a dry-weight basis. Assuming leaner cuts, the protein content of beef rivals fish and poultry at about 6-7 g per oz. depending on the cut. For maximum muscle impact with minimum calories, look for rounds or loins, which are extra-lean meat cuts.

Beef is more than just a piece of charbroiled protein. It is also a major source of micronutrients including vitamin B12 and the minerals phosphorous, iron, and zinc, all of which are crucial in muscle-building and athletic performance. It's also a key source of carnosine, the dipeptide which releases beta-alanine during digestion; and conjugated linoleic acid (CLA), a healthy fat that's been connected in studies to decreased body fat, among other benefits.

Beef is also one of most concentrated food sourcesof creatine, which it delivers to the tune of 1 g for every 8 oz. of meat. Creatine is a potent anaerobic backup energy reserve in muscle cells, usually applied during the first few seconds of high intensity muscle actions like weight training reps and sprints. It can also help increase mitochondria content in growing muscle cells, providing additional cellular energy for use in recovery and adaptation. In addition, creatine can draw and hold water into cells, which in turn supports additional protein-building.

 

DON'T FORGET ABOUT FISH

Our finned friends offer a wealth of muscle-building might and body-leaning support, both from protein and other nutrients. When it comes to protein, fish skeletal muscle is molecularly similar to mammalian skeletal muscle and offers the same 6-7 g of protein per oz., but is typically leaner. For instance, water-packed tuna derives more than 80 percent of its calories from protein, just one reason it has long been a favorite snack for athletes of all types.

The appeal goes beyond just protein. A 165 g can of tuna contains more than 3 g of leucine, the branched-chain amino acid most responsible for stimulating MPS. Tuna is also one of the best dietary sources of the amino acid arginine, which can support blood flow via nitric oxide production. That same can contains 2.5 g of arginine, as well as healthy blasts of iron, niacin, and vitamin B12. Fish also provides creatine at about the same level as beef, at approximately 1 g per 8 oz. in the case of tuna.

Fish is also the single best source of the omega-3 fats EPA and DHA. You can get some EPA indirectly from non-meat sources like nuts and seeds, but DHA comes only from seafood. These special fats are unique in many ways, but when it comes to muscle, researchers have reported that when people consumed fish oil supplement providing a little more than 3 grams of EPA and DHA for eight weeks, their MPS was optimized in response to eating. In addition, omega-3 fats have been reported to help improve aspects of exercise recovery like reducing inflammation and soreness.One last exciting area of fish oil application is the ability of omega-3 fats to potentially support optimal testosterone formation.

 

I am still failing to see your point to include meat. Every essential nutrient that we need to obtain through the diet is vegan. Every other nutrient we can manufacture ourselves. Stating the composition of animal foods and what really matters at the end of the day, the effect of foods on real world performance(bodybuilding in this case), are two different things.

[Rick123]

51 minutes ago, Realtalk said:

I mostly eat meat because it tastes fucking great and i love it. I personally Don't really care about evidence provided by a vegan which says it's not optimal to eat meat for my protein source. Even if it wasn't optimal (which is bullshit) I would still eat it.

"Even if it wasn't optimal (which is bullshit) I would still eat it." Calling something bullshit without providing evidence doesn't make it false.

[Realtalk]

4 minutes ago, Rick123 said:

"Even if it wasn't optimal (which is bullshit) I would still eat it." Calling something bullshit without providing evidence doesn't  make it false.

 

Got better things to do than trawl through Google looking for studies and crap to post on here

 

[Katipo]

44 minutes ago, Rick123 said:

 

I am still failing to see your point to include meat. Every essential nutrient that we need to obtain through the diet is vegan. Every other nutrient we can manufacture ourselves. Stating the composition of animal foods and what really matters at the end of the day, the effect of foods on real world performance(bodybuilding in this case), are two different things.

Why manufacture a nutrient and take it as a supplement, when you can just have a bit of meat in your diet?  With all the veggies to get the other essential nutrients as well

[Rick123]

1 minute ago, Katipo said:

Why manufacture a nutrient and take it as a supplement, when you can just have a bit of meat in your diet?  With all the veggies to get the other essential nutrients as well

I've discussed why throughout this thread.

The only supplement I need to take is B12. We live in a sanitized world where the water is treated and void of b12. So rather a modern day problem.

 

 

[Skeletor]

I want to see your muscle and strength level man . Post us a pic and prove it's you . If I think it's impressive ill personally try vegan for 2 weeks and see how I feel and post honest results.  Front and rear shots , bodyweight , height . Also proof of your max lifts on squat , bench and dead.  I'll post my max lifts and body composition pics before and after .  

[Rick123]

14 minutes ago, Skeletor said:

I want to see your muscle and strength level man . Post us a pic and prove it's you . If I think it's impressive ill personally try vegan for 2 weeks and see how I feel and post honest results.  Front and rear shots , bodyweight , height . Also proof of your max lifts on squat , bench and dead.  I'll post my max lifts and body composition pics before and after .  

Here's a tremendous amount of impressive vegan physiques. You're going to go vegan from a single anecdote? That's retarded.

https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=vegan+body+builders&espv=2&biw=1366&bih=662&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjuxfCH2p3PAhVFdD4KHZSiC4EQ_AUIBigB

[Skeletor]

You're pushing it as the greatest thing since sliced bread . I'm saying if it's truly that great ill try it and give an honest opinion . But you're the one posting how we can get all we need from a vegan diet so I just wanted to see visual proof from you not photos of guys who could have been vegan for 1 month .  If you were a beast lifting big weight and looking like a pitbull I'd have more chance of buying into it the fact that I can get all I need easily and recover from a vegan diet in time for the next workout.  It's all good if you don't want to man I was just curious. 

[Rick123]

18 minutes ago, Skeletor said:

You're pushing it as the greatest thing since sliced bread . I'm saying if it's truly that great ill try it and give an honest opinion . But you're the one posting how we can get all we need from a vegan diet so I just wanted to see visual proof from you not photos of guys who could have been vegan for 1 month .  If you were a beast lifting big weight and looking like a pitbull I'd have more chance of buying into it the fact that I can get all I need easily and recover from a vegan diet in time for the next workout.  It's all good if you don't want to man I was just curious. 

"I just wanted to see visual proof from you not photos of guys who could have been vegan for 1 month ." 

I've been vegan for 9months, and have had to take the last 2 years off due to non related training injuries, so...

I honestly doubt the majority of vegan bodybuilders that you look up would of been vegan for 1 month.

 

You could experiment and see if your performance is hindered. Perhaps wean off, if you will. Replacing x amount of animal protein with plant protein. 

 

[kiwicannon]

Not knocking your lifestyle choice mate just not my cuppa tea but to say "that puke" word "gains" makes my alarm bells ring!!! dont come here and knock everyone for busting there asses at the gym to get gains and better themselves who who f*ck do you think you are? 

 

End of the day i love animals they taste delicious! lentils and seeds are for vermin.

[Bruce Al]

12 hours ago, Rick123 said:

Why, and why does this matter?

 

Since the beginning of the human race we were primarily meat eaters. We have incisors for tearing meat, and molars for grinding it up. Go

Our bodies were genetically programed for optimal functioning on a diet including meat

Our genes were developed before the agricultural revolution, the human genome has changed less than 0.02% in the last 50,000 years.

In hunter/gatherer societies  45-65% of energy requirements were derived from animal sources and heart disease, obesity, cavities and type 2 diabetes  were not a problem. With the introduction of grains and processed foods, these diseases popped their heads up pretty quickly.

 

If it wasnt for humans eating meat we would never have advanced to the modern point we are at the moment where you can choose to be a self righteous emo vegan without dying from malnutrition. 

 

Ill stay honest and true to my human nature and have some quinoa with chilli tuna and boiled eggs  for breakfast.  Cheers big ears.

[Rick123]

4 hours ago, Bruce Al said:

 

Since the beginning of the human race we were primarily meat eaters. We have incisors for tearing meat, and molars for grinding it up. Go

Our bodies were genetically programed for optimal functioning on a diet including meat

Our genes were developed before the agricultural revolution, the human genome has changed less than 0.02% in the last 50,000 years.

In hunter/gatherer societies  45-65% of energy requirements were derived from animal sources and heart disease, obesity, cavities and type 2 diabetes  were not a problem. With the introduction of grains and processed foods, these diseases popped their heads up pretty quickly.

 

If it wasnt for humans eating meat we would never have advanced to the modern point we are at the moment where you can choose to be a self righteous emo vegan without dying from malnutrition. 

 

Ill stay honest and true to my human nature and have some quinoa with chilli tuna and boiled eggs  for breakfast.  Cheers big ears.

I'm not sure why these points are been made in regards to my prediction of the bodybuilding foods of the future.

"Since the beginning of the human race we were primarily meat eaters. We have incisors for tearing meat, and molars for grinding it up."  

The Paleolithic period represents just the last two million years of human evolution. What did our bodies evolve to eat during the first 90% of our time on Earth?

 

"Our bodies were genetically programed for optimal functioning on a diet including meat

Our genes were developed before the agricultural revolution, the human genome has changed less than 0.02% in the last 50,000 years.

In hunter/gatherer societies  45-65% of energy requirements were derived from animal sources and heart disease, obesity, cavities and type 2 diabetes  were not a problem. With the introduction of grains and processed foods, these diseases popped their heads up pretty quickly."

If you were concerned about disease the evidence for a whole plant based diet is quite demonstrably clear as being the healthiest. It's silly to rely on the past for concrete evidence. Up until 1860 the life expectancy was only between 25-40 y/o. Modelling your diet on people that lived that long is retarded.

http://nutritionfacts.org/topics/plant-based-diets/

"If it wasnt for humans eating meat we would never have advanced to the modern point we are at the moment where you can choose to be a self righteous emo vegan without dying from malnutrition."

Instant fail, appeal to tradition.(Assuming that's your justification for eating meat) If it wasn't for incest, rape and slavery we would never have advanced to the modern point we are at the moment. You can also choose to be a self righteous meat eater without dying from malnutrition.

 

"Ill stay honest and true to my human nature and have some quinoa with chilli tuna and boiled eggs  for breakfast.  Cheers big ears." Why do something simply because it's always been like that?

[Rick123]

5 hours ago, kiwicannon said:

Not knocking your lifestyle choice mate just not my cuppa tea but to say "that puke" word "gains" makes my alarm bells ring!!! dont come here and knock everyone for busting there asses at the gym to get gains and better themselves who who f*ck do you think you are? 

 

End of the day i love animals they taste delicious! lentils and seeds are for vermin.

 

I'd love for you to quote me where I have "knock everyone for busting there asses at the gym to get gains and better themselves".
I'm sorry for expressing that I personally don't like the word "gains" and that it irritates me. I'm sorry. I'm guessing it's became an annoying cliche to me. I wasn't intending to put others down or hurt them.

Vegans use the word "gains" and it's still the same story.

[Bigken1985]

Honestly I think gluten is far worse for you than meat. Like others have said. Stop preaching this shit if you can't back it up. 

[Rick123]

1 hour ago, Bigken1985 said:

Honestly I think gluten is far worse for you than meat. Like others have said. Stop preaching this shit if you can't back it up. 

"Stop preaching this shit if you can't back it up. " Good thing I've backed up why I think this  

[Bigken1985]

4 hours ago, Rick123 said:

"Stop preaching this shit if you can't back it up. " Good thing I've backed up why I think this  

Well. Your talking about bodybuilding  so u really can't back it up as you won't put up your physique or numbers. "Show us the results your amazing foods have helped with"

[Rick123]

18 hours ago, Bigken1985 said:

Well. Your talking about bodybuilding  so u really can't back it up as you won't put up your physique or numbers. "Show us the results your amazing foods have helped with"

You're*

 

I've explained why I haven't put up pictures.

As I've posted twice before, here are a tremendous amount of vegan bodybuilders. It clearly illustrates that you don't turn into a prune when you stop eating the supposedly magical elements of meat, dairy and eggs. Again, I don't know why you would take my single set of photos as proof. Since when did anecdotal evidence become trustworthy robust evidence?

 https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=vegan+bodybuilders&espv=2&biw=1366&bih=662&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwj-yNeU8qHPAhXBpZQKHdpIAfkQ_AUIBigB

 

A  Brazilian who turned 126 years old last week could be oldest living person. He has smoked a packet of cigarettes a day for the last 50 years. Are you going to tell me smoking is the key to longevity, based of one single person?

Are you going to purely base your judgement of the effects of a vegan whole plant based diet on muscle growth on one single case, me?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/brazil/10968734/Brazilian-who-turned-126-years-old-last-week-could-be-oldest-living-person.html

 

Lastly, if you bothered to read what this thread was about then you would understand the point isn't to convert people to a whole plant based diet. I'm making a future prediction and I've provided evidence as to why I think this.

 

[Skeletor]

You need to take into account steroids with those bodybuilders to . Have they been vegan all their life or did they build their base from an omnivore diet. Some still eat eggs and milk. To many variables from googling vegan bodybuilders and showing a bunch of guys you know nothing about .  It's kind of like the whole majorly out of shape P.T giving lifting advice . Practice what you preach. I don't believe things will change at all dramatically.  Yes there will be more people going vegan but it will never outweigh non vegan

[Rick123]

25 minutes ago, Skeletor said:

You need to take into account steroids with those bodybuilders to . Have they been vegan all their life or did they build their base from an omnivore diet. Some still eat eggs and milk. To many variables from googling vegan bodybuilders and showing a bunch of guys you know nothing about .  It's kind of like the whole majorly out of shape P.T giving lifting advice . Practice what you preach. I don't believe things will change at all dramatically.  Yes there will be more people going vegan but it will never outweigh non vegan

"You need to take into account steroids with those bodybuilders to ."

It's okay for non-vegans to take steroids but not for vegans?

"Have they been vegan all their life or did they build their base from an omnivore diet." I'm guessing the majority built their base from an omnivorous diet but why are they able to maintain, make further progress and prevent from shriveling up? It's a fallacy to appeal to the majority, for evidence as to why an omnivorous diet is superior to a vegan diet.

"Some still eat eggs and milk." Then they're not classified as  vegan are they.

 

" It's kind of like the whole majorly out of shape P.T giving lifting advice ." Yea lol, however, the size of ones muscles is not always relative to their level of sound knowledge.

[Skeletor]

Can you separate what you quote from us from what you reply please. No my point is we need to compare natural with natural because even with a poor diet you can still look good on steroids to a degree.  So could they have built that exact base from a vegan diet ?   It's not about the size of muscles but if they can't show a reasonable level of fitness on themselves using their own knowledge how can they expect to on somebody else?

[Skeletor]

What injuries are you dealing with yourself that's stopped you training

[Rick123]

11 minutes ago, Skeletor said:

What injuries are you dealing with yourself that's stopped you training

I have a genetic  dysfunction on the last bones in my lower back. I forgot the name.

It causes no pain normally unless I sit for a while. Basically, I strained the area or something and woke up the next day with severe debilitating pain. 

Then from that injury I was excessively standing so much because I couldn't sit down which gave me I guess a repetitive strain/pressure injury in my knees.

Then I excessively used my phone in bed and screwed up my elbow from continuous repetitive use daily for months. Also, a massive strain in my back from a lack of exercise and being in awkward positions. 

[Realtalk]

8 minutes ago, Rick123 said:

I have a genetic  dysfunction on the last bones in my lower back. I forgot the name.

It causes no pain normally unless I sit for a while. Basically, I strained the area or something and woke up the next day with severe debilitating pain. 

Then from that injury I was excessively standing so much because I couldn't sit down which gave me I guess a repetitive strain/pressure injury in my knees.

Then I excessively used my phone in bed and screwed up my elbow from continuous repetitive use daily for months. Also, a massive strain in my back from a lack of exercise and being in awkward positions. 

 

I don't think you eat enough Veges bro 

[Rick123]

1 hour ago, Realtalk said:

 

I don't think you eat enough Veges bro 

Don't you mean meat?

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LOL the trolls of NZBB were so much better than this. /bring back Pine Pollen threads