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Predicting a shift in bodybuilding foods

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This popped up in my Facebook feed today. I thought maybe it could be useful...     T-Nation: Vegans suck at science, and here's the proof.

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That reminds me of the time a member of this forum OD'd on powdered nutmeg and lost the vestigial part of his mind

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I wonder how much protein is in 6kg of cannabis 

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On 18/09/2016 at 4:35 PM, Rick123 said:

 

I said,  "in a sense compared to the alternatives", if you bothered to read.

 

"Less nutrition bang for your caloric buck." 1000 calories of steak has 0 pytochemicals, fiber and very low in antioxidants.

 

Yet is full of b vitamins/creatine/iron etc. Ok bro

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I don't think there is anything particularly wrong with a vegan lifestyle mate and all power to you if you want to try it out. Maybe post some shots of your body condition to show how a vegan can actually look. I just think it's a lot easier for strength athletes who are pushing their bodies to stimulate new growth and recover better with a traditional omnivore diet.  I know there are arguments that vegans are healthier and live longer in general but you also need to take into account the fact that as a vegan you are also far more likely to be cautious about your health in other areas of life than the average Joe.  Vegans are less likely to indulge in alcohol, tobacco and drugs etc. All power to you for doing it man but a forum of bodybuilders, powerlifters and strongman is probably not the best place to push your agenda. 

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33 minutes ago, Skeletor said:

I don't think there is anything particularly wrong with a vegan lifestyle mate and all power to you if you want to try it out. Maybe post some shots of your body condition to show how a vegan can actually look. I just think it's a lot easier for strength athletes who are pushing their bodies to stimulate new growth and recover better with a traditional omnivore diet.  I know there are arguments that vegans are healthier and live longer in general but you also need to take into account the fact that as a vegan you are also far more likely to be cautious about your health in other areas of life than the average Joe.  Vegans are less likely to indulge in alcohol, tobacco and drugs etc. All power to you for doing it man but a forum of bodybuilders, powerlifters and strongman is probably not the best place to push your agenda. 

 

As the title of this thread states, it's merely a hypothesis, I'm not trying to push anyone into anything. I have provided evidence in the previous page, that is all. I'm not interested in opinions. I'm not interested in beliefs. I'm interested in the science. None of us were born with this information; where did we find it?   

 

"I just think it's a lot easier for strength athletes who are pushing their bodies to stimulate new growth and recover better with a traditional omnivore diet. "

Not trying to attack you, but why?

 

"but you also need to take into account the fact that as a vegan you are also far more likely to be cautious about your health in other areas of life than the average Joe.  Vegans are less likely to indulge in alcohol, tobacco and drugs etc. "
Argeed, however through the scientific method variables are controlled as best as possible.

I don't know about hardly any body builders, I'm not interested,  but a quick google search, its definitely possible to succeed on a vegan diet. https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=vegan+body+builders&espv=2&biw=1366&bih=662&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj_i6q5rp3PAhUIOz4KHaGPBhgQ_AUIBigB

 http://www.greatveganathletes.com/bodybuilders

 

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Unlike plant-based protein sources, beef is densely packed with the same types of proteins humans are made of: skeletal muscle proteins like myosin, actin, and troponins, as well as collagen and other connective tissue proteins. Typically animal meat is more than 80 percent protein on a dry-weight basis. Assuming leaner cuts, the protein content of beef rivals fish and poultry at about 6-7 g per oz. depending on the cut. For maximum muscle impact with minimum calories, look for rounds or loins, which are extra-lean meat cuts.

Beef is more than just a piece of charbroiled protein. It is also a major source of micronutrients including vitamin B12 and the minerals phosphorous, iron, and zinc, all of which are crucial in muscle-building and athletic performance. It's also a key source of carnosine, the dipeptide which releases beta-alanine during digestion; and conjugated linoleic acid (CLA), a healthy fat that's been connected in studies to decreased body fat, among other benefits.

Beef is also one of most concentrated food sourcesof creatine, which it delivers to the tune of 1 g for every 8 oz. of meat. Creatine is a potent anaerobic backup energy reserve in muscle cells, usually applied during the first few seconds of high intensity muscle actions like weight training reps and sprints. It can also help increase mitochondria content in growing muscle cells, providing additional cellular energy for use in recovery and adaptation. In addition, creatine can draw and hold water into cells, which in turn supports additional protein-building.

 

DON'T FORGET ABOUT FISH

Our finned friends offer a wealth of muscle-building might and body-leaning support, both from protein and other nutrients. When it comes to protein, fish skeletal muscle is molecularly similar to mammalian skeletal muscle and offers the same 6-7 g of protein per oz., but is typically leaner. For instance, water-packed tuna derives more than 80 percent of its calories from protein, just one reason it has long been a favorite snack for athletes of all types.

The appeal goes beyond just protein. A 165 g can of tuna contains more than 3 g of leucine, the branched-chain amino acid most responsible for stimulating MPS. Tuna is also one of the best dietary sources of the amino acid arginine, which can support blood flow via nitric oxide production. That same can contains 2.5 g of arginine, as well as healthy blasts of iron, niacin, and vitamin B12. Fish also provides creatine at about the same level as beef, at approximately 1 g per 8 oz. in the case of tuna.

Fish is also the single best source of the omega-3 fats EPA and DHA. You can get some EPA indirectly from non-meat sources like nuts and seeds, but DHA comes only from seafood. These special fats are unique in many ways, but when it comes to muscle, researchers have reported that when people consumed fish oil supplement providing a little more than 3 grams of EPA and DHA for eight weeks, their MPS was optimized in response to eating. In addition, omega-3 fats have been reported to help improve aspects of exercise recovery like reducing inflammation and soreness.One last exciting area of fish oil application is the ability of omega-3 fats to potentially support optimal testosterone formation.

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13 minutes ago, Rick123 said:

 

As the title of this thread states, it's merely a hypothesis, I'm not trying to push anyone into anything. I have provided evidence in the previous page, that is all. I'm not interested in opinions. I'm not interested in beliefs. I'm interested in the science. None of us were born with this information; where did we find it?   

 

"I just think it's a lot easier for strength athletes who are pushing their bodies to stimulate new growth and recover better with a traditional omnivore diet. "

Not trying to attack you, but why?

I don't know about hardly any body builders, I'm not interested,  but a quick google search, its definitely possible to succeed on a vegan diet. https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=vegan+body+builders&espv=2&biw=1366&bih=662&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj_i6q5rp3PAhUIOz4KHaGPBhgQ_AUIBigB

 http://www.greatveganathletes.com/bodybuilders

 

 

You're invested in data which is provided by people with a vested interest in proving their belief system. Kind of like all the science that supports the use of medications, outlaws Marijuana etc etc etc I think we're interested in gains here not sure why you say that's a puke word? We all have different goals and just like we have a choice to eat what we like we also have a choice to want gains if we like. Our goals aren't diminished by your doctrine and frankly it's both arrogant and ignorant of you to assume they should be. Please don't refer to wanting science not opinion. .. it's all opinion with science provided to prove your point. Small minded mofo. 

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You're invested in data which is provided by people with a vested interest in proving their belief system. Kind of like all the science that supports the use of medications, outlaws Marijuana etc etc etc I think we're interested in gains here not sure why you say that's a puke word? We all have different goals and just like we have a choice to eat what we like we also have a choice to want gains if we like. Our goals aren't diminished by your doctrine and frankly it's both arrogant and ignorant of you to assume they should be. Please don't refer to wanting science not opinion. .. it's all opinion with science provided to prove your point. Small minded mofo. 

"You're invested in data which is provided by people with a vested interest in proving their belief system." Don't just assert something, substantiate. How do you know the information I've provided about nutrition is to sway people to stop eating animal products. Is it possible that there could be no biased? Yes. So why do you think there is?

 

"I think we're interested in gains here not sure why you say that's a puke word?" I don't like the word "gains".  It irritates me.
 

"We all have different goals and just like we have a choice to eat what we like we also have a choice to want gains if we like." Exactly. Did I demand anyone on this thread to eat a certain way?

 

"Our goals aren't diminished by your doctrine and frankly it's both arrogant and ignorant of you to assume they should be." Quote me where I assume they should be.

 

". Please don't refer to wanting science not opinion. .. it's all opinion with science provided to prove your point. Small minded mofo. "

I'm making a prediction with current science to form a hypothesis that in the future I predict the body building foods will change. Please inform me what is wrong with that? I would think that's rather open minded tbh.

 

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