Getting Big

[zeus]

I cannot get any bigger I am 94 kg and thinking of taking steroids, Is this a good Idea? where would someone try to find any?

[Pseudonym]

Hi Zeus, and welcome.

First of all - how old are you, and how long have you been training?

Secondly - have you gone over your workout routines and diet with a fine-tooth comb? If you're really not making progress, chances are that's where the problem is. (And honestly, you'd be throwing money away trying steroids if the rest of the jigsaw isn't in place first).

Finally, I have to admit I'm no steroid expert. Hopefully, we'll be able to start promoting the board here soon, and attract more knowledgable members. But I can't stress enough how important it is to research, research, research!

What I'd suggest is this: spend the next 12 months trying out different routines, double-checking your diet, etc etc. During that time read up all you can on steroids and hormones. That way, you'll know a) if you actually need them to continue to make progress, b) if you're comfortable with no longer being able to call yourself natural, c) if you're willing to take the risks that are part of a.s, and d) what kind of steroid to take, if any.

Hope that helps a wee bit!

- Andrew

[jerume]

hey bro,i'm in the same boat as you,i've been training for 4 years and i'm 75kgs and i wanna get too 80kgs,my diet is good,my trainings good(even though i cant train hard since i've torn my rotator cuff) and i'm contemplating prohormones(if they are legal here in nz,which i've gotten alot of different answers on wether they are or not)i've researched steroids/prohormones,and what i can suggest too you is go too http://www.bodybuilding.com and go too their cyberstore,read up about their products,and my advise too you is use prohormones rather than steroids,these days there are alot safer methods of delivery(products that bypass the liver and dont convert into estrogen)you pay more for these products but they are safer,and as long as u stick too the dosage required and have a off cycle then you should restrict the side effects,and go on a liver cleanser on your offcycle,as long as your training hard,your nutritions good,you over 18 and it's legal in your country i myself dont see the problem

[mrwhiplet]

can someone please tell me what the situation is in New Zealand with prohormones, i too have had either no info or semi info.

Pseudonym can you tell me where the legislation or the concrete info is regardingthis matter

What i have found out so far

Steroids are definately illegal

prohormones are illegal in competative/professional sport

there is no mention about the legality of personal use/possesion of prohormones

I have heard that it is illegal to sell them in NZ but that it legal to have them and even bring them in from overseas???

kinda like in holland where it is legal to sell pot, smoke pot, have pot, but it is illegal to grow pot????

someone please give me da info

i have imported DHEA before, but this is a lot milder than real prohormones

[Pseudonym]

MrWhiplet - I agree, the situation in NZ is anything but clear when it comes to PHs.

I made some enquiries about this a few weeks ago, and it took me several days of being shuttled between organisations and departments before I could get a semi-straight answer.

Not even the NZ Sports Drug Administration were able to tell me about the legal status of PHs and steroids - although they could tell me both categories were banned by all sporting bodies.

Finally I reached MedSafe, who told me both PHs and steroids were classed as prescription-only medicine in NZ (you can search by specific ingredient at http://www.medsafe.govt.nz/Profs/class/ ... cation.asp ). This means they are illegal to possess without a doctor's prescription.

However, sale of these substances is certainly illegal. I understand that traders can be liable for up to $20,000 or a 6-month jail term, or up to $100,000 for businesses.

WHILE THIS INFORMATION IS ACCURATE AS FAR AS I AM AWARE, NEITHER I NOR NZBB CAN BE HELD LIABLE FOR ERRORS OR OMISSIONS.

[jerume]

well i'm glad u found out,i had so many different responses from different people,i have imported 3 bottles of m1t in the last month,i was gonna use it but decided not too

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[mrwhiplet]

jerume, why arent you using m1t????

you can "give" it to me :twisted: if you want

it seems from looking at the links that dhea is a nothing product and that you can have it and buy it from overseas!!!

DHEA is very mild, but is quite pleasant and give you a little tweak, it is heaps better than creatine too.

[jerume]

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i tryed that link but it didnt work,m1t and 1ad are the most popular prohormones and people are reporting huge gains!it's just too bad that its illegal as companies now have much safer versions,but i wanna stay natural,even tho 4-10pds in a cycle sounds nice(thats what people are reporting in a 29day cycle of m1t or 1ad)i thought all prohormones would be illegal in nz?not just some!thats crap!!!!why let some be legal but not others?

[jerume]

i have just gone too that link and methly 1 test isnt listed,they say testosterone any more than 1mg per pound or kg is prescription,does that include m1t?

[Pauly8]

Hey jerume, **mod edit: post breaches forum rules**

and sorry to say I'm going to turn to the dark side this week. I have done heaps of research on this which i stronly reconmend, this isn't the sort of shit u take without having any background knowledge on it. I'm taking all the right precautions by taking a liver cleansing sup and anti-estrogen. I'll start with a 2 week cycle and see how it goes. I'm expecting some side effects but am going to stick to the recomened dosage. I will let you guys know how it goes.

[Pseudonym]

Hi guys.

Just a reminder - the rules for the Steroid forum are stickied here: http://www.nzbb.co.nz/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15

Your posts weren't all that terribly naughty, but I have to err on the side of caution here. It's for your security as well as ours, remember...

Hope the cycle goes well for you, Pauly.

8)

[muffinman]

save your money and your health, some good friends of mine use roids and unless you intend on taking them forever till you give yourself a heart attack dont bother, when you stop taking them you will loose the muscle over time, ive seen it happen to guys i know. and plus its obvious when someone is on the juice, so what is the point of people pointing and saying 'roids' its the cheats way not the right way.

with the right training, diet, and legal supplements you can get big, obviously not as big as on the gear but its better to be big natural than big freakshow! i got up to 118 kg naturally a few years ago, am 100 kg now. took awhile but was a big boy back then.

[AuckTrainer]

I agree with muffinman to some extent. Unless you have your training and diet spot on, save your money. Steroids will just mask your errors. When you stop using, you will still have the same half assed training routine and fast food diet. If you are confident that you are on the right track, and want to do a cycle. Go see a doctor. Get blood tests and checkup etc. Tell the doctor what you are doing and get regular checkups along the way. Don't worry, they are bound to silence by the hippocratic oath. P.s prohormones are a grey area in terms of possession. They are emphatically illegal to import however. You only hope is to get a dimwitted customs officer who lets them slide

[deegee]

Top recommendation that about the doc, if you dont want to tell your family gp go see another doc and let them know they can get you blood tests done which really are a must if you want to be safe with your body and health.

thank god for dimwitted customs guys!!

[AuckTrainer]

Yeah, i can't understand guys who do prohormones. You might as well do a course of steroids. Done properly, and using the right sort. You will get no more side effects and more growth. A good start is tribolan etc. Low aromitization, and cheap. Stay away from stan though. Can cause bitch tit city. I personally think that you gotta try all the legal stuff first. There is a new product out called Cellmass. It is a new creatine transport promoted by Ronnie Coleman. It is awesome. It has hardened me up incredibly, which is a bonus. I often find creatine, especially Celltech makes me quite puffy.

[Flex]

Hey AuckTrainer- I seriously hope that you're not under the impression that just because Ronnie Coleman "promotes" CellMass that it is going to be a good product - he probably doesn't even use it.

I severely doubt he would even be bothered to use a product like that considering the amount of gear he's on. With his muscle mass, caloric intake and level of training he'd need to use 5 times as much of the stuff to even notice it - he probably tips it down the drain and uses the containers to store all his used syringes and vials. Good on you for choosing natural - but don't choose a product just because it is endorsed by the biggest steroid freak in town.

[Growth]

he probably tips it down the drain and uses the containers to store all his used syringes and vials.

:pfft: lol :grin: I agree though, alot of the pros use sponsorships to fund there gear, they probabley couldnt care less what the product is as long as they get their cheque.

Also AuckTrainer you say not to use "stan" because of high gyno risk, what are you referering to?

[jono]

he probably tips it down the drain and uses the containers to store all his used syringes and vials.

:pfft: lol :grin: I agree though, alot of the pros use sponsorships to fund there gear, they probabley couldnt care less what the product is as long as they get their cheque.

Also AuckTrainer you say not to use "stan" because of high gyno risk, what are you referering to?

prolly winny ?

[Growth]

Yeah thats what i thought but that doesnt usually give gyno related problems does it? I thought it was quite anti-progestin.

[jono]

Yeah thats what i thought but that doesnt usually give gyno related problems does it? I thought it was quite anti-progestin.

yeah i duno about the gyno claims either . seems to be a few miss informed posts recently

[AuckTrainer]

Flex man. I'm glad you have such vast knowledge. You mean Ronnie Coleman doesn't attain his phenomenal mass via creatine. I was merely pointing out that it was from an established brand and not some second rate purveyor like Musashi. Re the Stan and gyno. I could be misinformed. I know two people (one of whom is a past winner of Mr NZ title) have told me they experienced worst gyno from Stanazol in large doses. It is supposedly not so bad at the end of a cycle in short bursts. But remember that even long time abusers may never see many noticable side effects.

[bulking]

Winny( Stanozolol )

cannot cause gyno because of the 5-alpha reduction, it can't aromatize.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=497024

Also if this cellmass is creatine why bother when cee is available

[Varven]

Why go dissing all the local brands mate ?

Just cause Pharmasport doesnt get endorsed by R.C. doesnt mean I wont use it.

Hell Musashi is endorsed by J.D. isnt it ? close enough is good enough.

I really dont think a more known brand isnt going to make a HUGE difference when it comes to natural growth compared to a local product .

whats say chaps ?

[Growth]

I dont usually buy into all the big name brands, there is a protein that is made locally, like just out of town, and its really good, average price ($45 a kg) but it does the job.

Ive used musashi in the past and found it really good, i was surprised to here the bad comments about it.

[NIGHTHEAT]

Why go dissing all the local brands mate ?

Just cause Pharmasport doesnt get endorsed by R.C. doesnt mean I wont use it.

Hell Musashi is endorsed by J.D. isnt it ? close enough is good enough.

I really dont think a more known brand isnt going to make a HUGE difference when it comes to natural growth compared to a local product .

whats say chaps ?

You're absolutely right.

The big brand names often have higher price tags because they invest more money into marketing and "research" and this spending has to be justified, but you'll find most of the time they are using the same suppliers as less known brands.

If you're really worried about quality, shoot the company an email or visit them and ask for a certificate of analysis for the particular product. If they have any credibility at all they will happily provide you with this information