24 hour weigh ins in powerlifting

[Skeletor]

Does anyone know what brought about 24 hour weigh ins in certain feds in powerlifting?  What's the reasoning behind it ?  Not for or against it just curious how it came about as surely the huge weight drops some people do must affect strength somewhat.  What's your thoughts on it . Was it made so people could compete in weight groups well below what they are or for another reason? 

[Realtalk]

Was always two hour weigh in until 1986. Another federation was started then and from what I can tell it's all turned to shit from there. It's an American thing - that is makin things sound more impressive than they really are. It was a point of difference for the new fed. No other reason.

 

[Bigken1985]

With 24h weigh ins you can get away with big cuts, allows you to sauna, diretics, laxatives, cut carbs. with a very minimal effect at the end of it all. With a 2 hour weigh in almost all of the above is out of the question, it becomes far more of a skill and strategy of who can refuel the best cause  quite often its not even 2 hours after you weigh in if you get a high lot number, and if weigh ins drag out you may only have an hour. 

[PETN]

What a load of shit^

 

More of a risk doing a huge weight drop with 24h weigh in than a small one thats recoverable from with a 2 hour weigh in.

 

I think it's stupid though as you have guys lifting 10kg heavier on the day than the upper limit of that weight class. 

 

Imo there shouldn't even be weight classes. Should just be biggest total wins. If ppl wanna be weak little anorexic bitches and whine about being beaten by a bigger stronger guy then they should go lift with the women.

[Realtalk]

Only fat people say their shouldn't be weight classes. I always read "No weight classes in the jungle" - well yeah... it's powerlifting not the jungle... Duuhhhh! What a dumb thing to believe in. If there are a group of people who weigh the same and want to lift then a weight class is a perfect equaliser to create a competitive arena for them to do that in. 

 

 

[Realtalk]

And yeah some people do compete 10kg over the weight they weighed in at. Other people have two people wrapping each knee for them. That's giving them an advantage too. no one whinges about that though. It's all within the rules. If you don't like the rules don't compete in the fed.

[PETN]

Why not have weight classes in track events too then? Be a lot fairer on the 120kg+ guys trying to win a marathon lol. Or maybe those ppl should just get their weight to somewhere they can be competitive in their chosen sport? You could apply weight classes to many different sports to allow people at non competitive bodyweight to compete against each other. Difference is most sports don't do this. For some reason powerlifting does.

 

I know it's the rules and obviously people are going to use the rules to their advantage. It's a load of shit though saying for example a person totalled whatever weighing u110kg but actually weighed 120kg or something when they did their lifts.

 

I don't really give a shit I just think both things are retarded. Just like how I think people deliberately not putting on muscle and getting stronger so they can still compete in some ridiculously light weight class is retarded when powerlifting is supposed to be a strength sport. Those people might as well go compete against teenage girls in an anorexia comp.

[Realtalk]

It's not track and field it's powerlifting. Weight classes just work better in some sports. The ufc started with no weight classes and added them and it's better now...

 

i I guess it depends what you think I'd more impressive a 150kg person benching 202.5kg or an 80kg person benching 200kg.

 

as long as you have enough competitors to fill the weight classes then I don't see a problem with weight classes. If you have only a couple of people in each weight class then yeah i can see your point. 

[Realtalk]

Also people need to realise that with 24 hour weigh ins what someone weighs on the day of the competition is irrelevant. It's a load of shit weighing 10kg more on the day? So is it a load of shit saying you squatted x amount with 2.5m knee wraps wrapped on by two people? Cause you didn't really squat it on your own did you? Just like you didn't total the amount you totalled at the body weight you weighed in at 24 hours later.

 

Seems to me its acceptable to drop 3kg and put it back on within 24 hours but drop 10-12kg and people loose their shit... So what's acceptable and what's not? 

 

Its a non argument.

[HarryB]

It makes it interesting when you're competing and trying for records and that type of thing. It's a bit of a farce until you're doing it then you work out how hard it is to get it right. It's just part of a lot of sports. 

[maccaz]

Personally I don't think 24 hour weigh in should be a thing, no useful purpose for it but inflating numbers. 

 

In saying that, these are the rules for the federation I lift in so as soon as I have a chance at being competitive in the class below me you can be assured I'll be dehydration the fck out of myself to get there lol, to not do that because I don't agree with that rule would be retarded same as choosing not to wear knee wraps because they're uncomfortable. Need to take advantage of the rules you have 

[GyzzBrah]

Out of curiosity, how does the scaling work, i.e whats the kg difference from one weight class to another and how many classes are there?

[FellowshipOfTheRon]

13 hours ago, PETN said:

 Those people might as well go compete against teenage girls in an anorexia comp.

 

can u pls send me details of how i can enter this comp m8?

[bang_bang]

I'd prefer 2 hour weigh in but I will work with whatever rules are in place to be competetive. If someone can drop 10-12kg and have it not effect their performance then good on them. For every guy who successfully does that i'm sure there's one that misses weight or loses strength from it. Also even on 2 hour weigh ins some guys are dropping several kg.

[PETN]

Yeah I guess I agree with weight classes in that at least you don't have to be an unhealthy 140kg+ to be competitive.

 

What are you guys thoughts on this though:

 

Guy that trains at same gym weighs 75-80kg. Totals mid 600s. Keeps weight down so can stay competing u75kg which he currently still has to cut weight for. Wants to start gear but stay competing u75kg. Asking me what steroids are good for strength but won't cause weight gain lol. I told him to compete in a heavier weight class if he's gonna use gear as it would be retarded to not try gain muscle which would obviously lead to strength and weight gain. He's adamant he's staying u75. What the f*ck is that...

[PETN]

2 hours ago, GyzzBrah said:

Out of curiosity, how does the scaling work, i.e whats the kg difference from one weight class to another and how many classes are there?

 

Pretty sure in most feds the difference is less at lower weight classes and more at heavier ones. For example in gpc think it's 4kg lower classes starting round 50kg and 15kg at upper end of scale 110kg+ (u125 and u140).

[Realtalk]

All I know is I'm not talking about my bodyweight close to a comp. the people that talk the most shit don't even squat to depth or lock their knees out on deadlift... And they talking about weigh in? The best topic they can think to talk about after the comp is what people weighed? What they weigh like 30 hours after the weigh in took place! 

 

Since we are talking about stupid things - hows this for Stupid, I even got told in April at gpc Auckland champs that cutting my weight was a waste of time by a guy I beat lol.

[FellowshipOfTheRon]

3 hours ago, PETN said:

Yeah I guess I agree with weight classes in that at least you don't have to be an unhealthy 140kg+ to be competitive.

 

What are you guys thoughts on this though:

 

Guy that trains at same gym weighs 75-80kg. Totals mid 600s. Keeps weight down so can stay competing u75kg which he currently still has to cut weight for. Wants to start gear but stay competing u75kg. Asking me what steroids are good for strength but won't cause weight gain lol. I told him to compete in a heavier weight class if he's gonna use gear as it would be retarded to not try gain muscle which would obviously lead to strength and weight gain. He's adamant he's staying u75. What the f*ck is that...

IMO that is just some baby back bullshit. why not just enjoy it and go with the flow, get stronger compete in the class that you're your own strongest rather than trying to cut back so you can be strong within someone elses definitions. i don't understand it but some people just fixated on that mindset of wanting to set world records only or not competing unless they gonna be top of the class. different frames of mind i suppose

[Realtalk]

Well it's better to win with a 600 total in one class than not podium with a 620 total in another class. That's a no brainer I would have thought. 

[Realtalk]

There are different mindsets between a novice comp and just weighing in at whatever then saying to yourself in the car when you're driving to the venue ok this is gonna be my opener then I'll take this for my 2nd and this for my 3rd and if I do that on all 3 lifts I'll go 9/9 and leave with a big PB total. A national level or a international level comp is completley different. The whole point is to win by whatever means nessercery and that starts with the weigh in.  It even pays to be 98ish in the u100s so even if you are 99.9kg the week before, to cut because if you tie your totals the lighter lifter wins. 

 

There re is so much strategy to powerlifting that lots of people don't even realise. It's such an awesome sport for more reasons than just lifting as much as you can. It's far from boring when you have a few guys all fighting for first on the 2nd and 3rd deadlifts.

[FellowshipOfTheRon]

yeah as a novice this all just flies over my head most likely, just wanna be stronger regardless of weight. no doubt it gets less meat head and more brains at those levels. still, that example petn gave if i was that dude i would rather just bulk up for the next class rather than constantly cut for featherweights

[BeastBuilder]

5 hours ago, Realtalk said:

 the people that talk the most shit don't even squat to depth or lock their knees out on deadlift... And they talking about weigh in? The best topic they can think to talk about after the comp is what people weighed? What they weigh like 30 hours after the weigh in took place! 

 

 

Lol

[donz]

Damn,  heated convo up in dis bish!

 

I managed to put on about 3kg for my last comp, I'm way to lazy to have ever tried the water cuts n shit, maybe if I was good enough to get close to winning shit I would. It'd be nice if no one did it and we all just weighed in at what we trained at the gym leading up to the comp in.. would be way more interesting BUT in saying that some people have made dropping weight, fast an art and kudos to them for going close to death to win a comp.

 

I also think there 100% should be weight classes as per way above comments. I'm also keen on seeing videos of 120kg marathon competitor haha ;D

[teamfatboy]

20 hours ago, Realtalk said:

There are different mindsets between a novice comp and just weighing in at whatever then saying to yourself in the car when you're driving to the venue ok this is gonna be my opener then I'll take this for my 2nd and this for my 3rd and if I do that on all 3 lifts I'll go 9/9 and leave with a big PB total. A national level or a international level comp is completley different. The whole point is to win by whatever means nessercery and that starts with the weigh in.  It even pays to be 98ish in the u100s so even if you are 99.9kg the week before, to cut because if you tie your totals the lighter lifter wins. 

 

There re is so much strategy to powerlifting that lots of people don't even realise. It's such an awesome sport for more reasons than just lifting as much as you can. It's far from boring when you have a few guys all fighting for first on the 2nd and 3rd deadlifts.

Yep - as someone who lost a gold medal at Nationals because of a 60-gramme difference in bodyweight, the competition starts at weigh-in. 

 

Sure, there are other factors, but you watch the changes fly during the deadlift round as people realise they're ahead on total but behind on Wilks.  You can't change age, you can't control your own experience level, but you can control weight. In a tight class like U 83s or even U105s, it's far better to be comfortably under the upper limit than hovering around the lower limit and turn up well-fed and well-hydrated.  

 

RT's right - I think the non-IPF feds looked at other sports (I think MMA also has a 24-hour weigh-in?) and figured what-the-hell,  let's do that. 

 

[Wookie]

The WPO had a 48hr weigh in.

Oleg Kucher deadlifted 360kg in the 75's. Except he cut from 91kg I heard.